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79. Yeast infections, mental illness, BDSM & other taboos

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In this episode, we're talking about taboos! Our generation has done a lot to break down taboos in society, but many are still around. Let's talk about them!

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Hello, I'm Christ and Parison Otto and I'm hard of Ferguson and where co founders of cheek media go. This is the weekly Cheek podcast. Before we start this podcast, I would like to acknowledge that we are on the stolen land of the Yagoin terable people and that sovereignty was never seated. Welcome back to the weekly cheek welcome. Well, that was super fucking friendly for me, crazy girl girl. Okay, so today we're going to be talking about taboos, or taboos or to boot. I've been practicing this all morning. I'm not sure how I'm going to say it. Might switch it up. Taboo, taboo, taboo, whichever way you say, whichever we're talking about. Love the board game. But the board game no basically got a card top of the word at the top of the card is the one. You have to get people to say the words underneath. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, very fun. I'm very good at it. Okay, that's all I have to say on that. Actually that he's a it is a fun game. Yeah, so we asked on the instagram. Yep, would I have to say we ask three questions. The first is, what do you think is a topic that is still taboo that people don't discuss? Second, what do you think our topics that our generation is broken down and made available to discuss? And third, what something that you don't talk about with anyone? Yes, so we're going to kind of run through some of them, some of them. So do you want to start with the questions? Do you want to start with the game? Oh, so, I have a game plan, but I don't know about the game. It's part. It's like got to do with the quest right, I would assume. So. So, basically, I have like written a list of like how to rate a taboo. Okay, so it's either or from from the top, like you only talk about with your inner circle, you only talk about it with your family, you talk about it with your friends, you talk about it with your colleagues and you would talk about it was someone you just met in a social setting. Okay, so I think this will actually just show the difference in our personality. Well, I yes, but I don't think I I think I can gage the difference between like me, not want to talk about anything with anyone, and like something that I do find taboo. Yes, okay, so read them, becouse, Yaan okay, with there's some specific finny things. Absolutely. I think there's probably ten that I like just over and over. I love your responses to fire. Very funny. Okay, these are actually pretty sad, most of them. The thing about taboo is it's not fun, it's not easy, because otherwise we talked about it. Right. Yes, I think the ones that we can expect come up a lot of things like salary. Yeah, and religion. Oh, I don't think religion is to boo. Yeah, but I think that it's interesting because I feel like half of people put it as something that they think is still taboo and then half put it is something that our generation broke down. Okay, yeah, and I think that's that's an interesting starting point. Right. Yeah, but I also want to start by saying I don't think there's many things I don't talk about. What do you think before we get into this, because I think it's a it's hard because it's very...

...skewed perception because, like, we talk about Gross Shit fifteen times a day. Yeah, but we're in a circle level. No, I know, but I would say gross shit to like a lot of people, but I think to what? To your point before, it's like what's the difference? Yeah, okay, but also I think that both of us do actively try to break down to booze every time this stuff comes up. I mean I can kind of think it's the point of the podcast in a way of talking about stuff that and I think it's for people in this space. You want to hear people have these conversations, like trying to offer something up. And the thing is there's a lot of things we don't talk about, like we're not really really talk about our sex lives, very personal things like blah, blah, blah, Blah Blah. But overall, yeah, we're pretty willing to say most things. Yeah, well, I have a yased infection again. So and also uti at the same time. Which should I say? What one am I go on. So I've answered one of the questions. It's like what still to boo and you said Thrush to boo, but UTI. Okay, why? Question Mark? Why? So I can talk about this? Yes, so I think that, like a lot of medical stuff, like has we have broken down a lot of two boots around medical issues. But there I feel like there are certain medical issues that you're like ill know, like probably anything to do with your butt. It's probably still to boot. Absolutely, but ETI. Okay, people are willing to they've had a colonoscopy. I still think it's cood taboo, though. Yeah, do you? I don't know. Okay, why don't we break it down? Can I tell my ut, my story? Oh yeah, please do not to take over from your current UTI, should we? Okay, so I'm doing some work. I'm breaking down to be is right now. We are right now. Okay. So when I was twenty one, the day of my twenty one birthday, I knew something was wrong. I'd never had a UTI before and I woke up in the morning and I was like something is going really wrong. I'm there. And if you've had a UTI behore, which think a lot of people, have common symptoms of like feeling like you need to Piss all the time, like you would finish paying and I'd be like Shit, there still something up there. Guy would be like, I've got I can't empty my bladder. Well, that's another one of the feelings, is like not feeling like you can fully empty it. No, and the reason I realized I had to ut on the first place was on the Friday the day before my birthday, I was walking around at lunch time at work in the city on my lunch break and I started to piss myself. Has Not realize it was coming out? No, because that's the thing. I was just like, Oh God, well, no, the thing was I thought one of the symptoms of the ut I was I just couldn't control it. Oh, because I just felt like there was liquid coming out and I was like, Oh fuck. I didn't feel like a normal pe. No, it just felt like like I had no control of my bladder and I freaked out. This wasn't like an entire we had come out of me in the middle of Queen Street Mall in Brisbane, if you know Brisbane, but it was like it was like, the way I explained it to you, was the like a takeaway coffee. The Lid, yes, that much...

...pay to feel the LID. Yeah. And so I was like, Oh fuck. And so I ran to cotton on body to Christen but instead of just like grabbing a pair and running to the bathroom, I saw they had a five thirty five deal on. Know the deal. You know the deal. Thirty five was always on at cotton on body. So I stood there in my own urine and was like that one and that one. The way. You told that. You're like up to me. I so. She so. Hannah told me what happened and she's like then I went to cut on body and got five hundred and thirty five, and I was like, hang on a second, you have just skipped over the funniest part of that story. You were like now some time for our bag, like one thing with twelve. I'm not gonna beat drop dollars. Why would? I'm sorry, but it's worth standing in my own Urin to save like twenty bucks because the yeah, it was one pair of twelve thirty five. Let's think about the math. They're people. So then I pick five hundred and thirty five. Then I went to the cashier in my own p hello, thank you. Yes, I don't want the water bottle charity item. Sign up to the perks club and to buy a five dollar beat or toe bag. Went Change. My undis back, so it hadn't but I hadn't hit your pants. I'm trying to think of what I was wearing. It could have been a skirt. No, that would have been way worse. Good because it is freely comes out. I don't know, but like I feel like that. My pants were that affected or I just suffered? I'm not sure. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I've been away with a little bit. Yeah, and then back to work. And then the next morning I was like sorry, mom, gotta go to the doctor because my family had traveled up from New South Wales for the birthday, and so my mom was like take meent a tow of you que and I was like great, we have to stop her at the GP U Way. She was like what's wrong and I was like, Mum, you don't want to know, and she was like Jesus. Anyway, the doctor gave me antibiotics that I could drink with and then I got absolutely slaughtered. Vomited in my own hand in a saucepan that night, and it was probably because of the antibogs weren't that good to drink with. And that's the whole story. You too gone. Thank you, antibiotics or glorious? Well, the thing about having a Uti and east infection the same time is it antibiotics heal the UTI, but they actually make these infection worse. Shit, because antibotics kill aful the good bacteria as well as the bad bacteria. Like they don't discriminate. It just like kills it off. And so I called my I had a telly health and I was like I've got this going on. Yeah, and I really liked the doctor because she I was just like a so be very bad, and she was just that fucks like love this one, loves this energy, and I really like when doctors laugh at my jokes. They're not like we had a very serious takes out the vagina's okay, yeah, exactly. Anyway, so I'm on antibiotics, thrust treatment and probotics to cancel the AD. It's awful. I'm feeling good, breaking down barriers and stereotypes. It's like us so so...

...taboo, broken, broken. Let's all talk about our use infections, not to say UTII's. I remember there was one week I lived in a house of there was six of us and one and one stage three people in the house have rush. That's just suspicious to me, like something was wrong. Yeah, I wasn't one of them. I've actually never had the rush elite. Yeah, flags, Weird Flax. You know. The weird thing, and I was thinking about this when you said you woke up and knew something wasn't right. I just feel like so many things go on with like vaginas that sometimes you like, well, am I actually is something actually wrong, or is it just like a bit weird? Well, I think it's hard to tell. Like some now that I've got the inflant on bar and I've just got it three months ago and I've actually not had a period since, which is really lucky. I hear a lot of horror stories in inverted quotations about it, and now I'm really struggling with my like sort of cycle symptoms and working out where I'm at. So sometimes I'm like, well, something going on, like do I just feel bad? I find it hard to tell and I'm like trying to track it out. And you know, we talked with like we know our bodies and sometimes you just wake up and you know something's wrong. But then with this I'm confused because I'm like usually I'm like my period and must be coming, but I'd actually don't have answers now. Yeah, so I think about that sort of stuff. I'm like Shit, yeah, but the signs aren't always equaling something like it is tough exactly, but I just feel like whenever you say to like someone else with a vagina or something. It's just not quite right if it's just like yeah, I'm like that really shouldn't be like a normal thing. It should be like Oh, no, something's wrong, yes, like you need to do something about that. Yes, I sent you a real last night from a podcast and I thought this is interesting. I wanted to bring it up now. Essentially, it's three sisters. Want the one I know is Nadia O Komodo. She's the founder of it's August, which is like a period company in the US. You went hear, but she's really amazing. You need be on tre massive, on Tick Tock with all the period stuff. Anyway, in it's in the rear with her sisters. They're talking about sex and one of them says, like she's likes to talk about sex a lot and she says, whenever I talk about sex, you guys sort of get grossed out in a way, and they say, we like to talk about sex, but you like to talk about it in extreme detail, about like the texture and the smells and we don't want to know about that. And the other sister says, but that's what makes it interesting. And then in the comments, I was read the comments and everyone was saying that is what makes it interesting, and I was thinking about that. Like when I talk about really explicit, intimate, like private stuff, whether it be about my health stuff, whether it be about sex life, whether it be about my period, whether it be about anything with my friends, I do feel like those details are what makes it interesting. Yeah, I think that's the same for everyone. I don't, I mean, I don't really like to do it. You don't have to talk about it in that detail, but you like to hear about it or not either. Yeah, I would happily like if I heard about it, wouldn't be like I'd be like okay, like good for you. I'm really entertained by your story, but like I'm, I don't know, a story. You're not going to counter the story. Yeah, see, I feel like I'm the teller, but I always want to receive this the other end. But I understand why people don't want to share, I know, but I share with you, especially since you get are so excited by the details. I'm so excited by the detail, but I'm not going to tell everyone. I'm not going to tell the state on the podcast...

...us. Yeah, but you might. Yes, all right, turning it into the little way. Let's get into the leaves. I think we just broke down like ten. Okay, so again the rating system. Just reminder of every ten, everybody in a circle, friends, family, which I think could go either way, like friends, family, depending on who you are and the relationships. Yeah, colleagues, people you just met in the social setting, because I don't want to be people you met in a work setting. People like Friends of friends. That's what that's the vibe of, like people who you just meant. Yeah, okay, I'm going to say the majority of things I saw about to boost still exist. Salary. HMM, periods, abortion, periods still exists. Yeah, but I think that's fair. I think that's in the we've broken it down and all right, like let's fight, so let's fight. I didn't realize you're going to be this way. I was thinking about this for a while last night. I think like I've done something so our right. Think you should feel like that. Um, I dontways it was gonna be this way. I feel like I'm your partner and you're just like, I can't believe you. I think the period argument here is that men are uncomfortable. I don't think it's talking about periods with friends I think it's that the entire population, considering that people who experience a menstrual cycle are there's basically half of people or people, and it's a fifth of our lives, virtually. HMM. It's not normalized to the except that should be. I think, is the argument. I don't think it's a taboo, though. Why? I because I think we've. I just think we've gotten past that it being a taboo. Not, I don't think so, like I've I know again, like it's really sometimes it's personal. Looks like some people still want to like, you know, poke the tamp on up their sleeve, but I don't think we're actually they're in like Australian society anymore. But do you think that we talk about bleeding, period, sex, the difficulties, the barriers people have fertility, menstruation generally? Like, do you think that we talked about those things enough, like literally, that's never going to be enough for me. No, I know. But like last year it was outrageous that we saw a period cup, a Diva Cup, in bump the show. I don't think it's out right. It was outrage as I was like that's really cool. Yeah, yeah, but we made a point of it. Yeah, because I thought it was really cool. Yay, yeah, but I think the fact that it's in there, I think means that we are past the point of a being of a taboo. No, I don't think that's a good indicator. I think the fact that that was like a moment for me was like, well, we're not past it. I also thought I didn't find it a gas moment, but we you've specifically mentioned it to me. Yeah, because I was like how fucking cool is it that that was the first scene? But if you think it's that notable, then it's not normal. But I didn't think I did. Wasn't like, Oh my God, I can't believe they did this, because if it was a taboo, I would be. I that's what I would think. Oh my God, crazy that they did this. I didn't think that. But I don't know that say standard upholds for other things. So like when I see different types of sex in shows, I don't think, Oh my God, I can't believe they did that. I think Oh, super cool. I do. If if it's a if...

...for me, if it's Jiboo, I'm like, Oh my God, they did that. Would you a good way if you were sending in a group of men, would you declare that you're on your period? Yeah, really, so to technic most people would. I just think we're part I thought, I think you're past it. I think I'm past it, but I don't think society's pasted it. I think society is past it. But so what do you think? What level do you think it is? Oh, I would talk about impier with anyone, family, friends, in society. I'll talk about my favor of someone I just met. I wouldn't talk about it with my colleagues because I don't think it's appropriate for work. Why? Because I don't know. See, that's this is the thing. I don't understand why it's not. Do you think it's because it comes out of a place that's private? I think it. I don't. I still don't think that's an indicator of being a taboo. I just wouldn't want to make other people uncomfortable. Well, I guess it's like I don't talk about doing a shit at work. Yeah, but I don't think the same thing. No, I agree. If I was like I needed to go home from work, I'd be like, you know, I've got a period issue. I've got to go home. Yeah, I wouldn't open. I mean I just wouldn't have a conversation by my period in the workplace because I don't think it's necessary. That's what I think too. Well, like because the thing is like at work, I wouldn't be like, I'm a period right now. Last someone was, I but if the same thing, if I was like, I'm not feeling I need to go, if someone was like, Oh, you okay, I'd be like I was just like a period, like just feeling unwell, on my period kind of thing. If it was prompted, yes, not just like out of the blue. I mean I would tell an anecdote about having my period. Not like difference, not necessary. Sorry. What I mean is I'm not uncomfortable. Like if we were are, you know, having an afterwork drinks or something, and we were all just throwing around stories, I would comfortably tell an adectate that involved a period. But if it's centralized on the period, I wouldn't. Like what kind of what kind of anecdote do you mean? Like in the way that like, I was on my period, which explains my behavior. Oh, I never do that, because I was bleeding through my pants. Yes, you would tell that at work if it's funny, not at work, maybe after work, but with work people interesting, I wouldn't. But okay, let's just declare we work in a male dominated workplace. Yeah, so it's more of a thing to yes, but also that's that kind of makes me more likely to say it. No, it makes me less likely. It's because I'm like, well, how do you like this? Ha Hmm, to one about colleaguesier listens. Yeah, so, sorry, we're going to talk about this this week. So with I said, colleague. That's very yes, yeah, it's because I'm looking at listens as a lot of colleague. So what's your level? See, the thing is I'm more likely to talk. I think this is where the levels fail me, because I am more likely to talk about a period with someone I just met than a colleague. Yes, but that's why I think colleague kind of stands on its own. Different thing. Yep, okay, okay, what's order sorted? I think...

...we don't agree, but that's good. That's good. Oh God, what is it? Men's mental health? That's not to be. I actually think it's the opposite. I think talk about it too much. That's really awful. So I think here's the thing. This is a very specific viewpoint, but what I think when it comes to men's mental health, it is oversaturated as a topic, with men posting token isstick virtue, signaling images selfees participating in challenges on social media that are absolutely shallow, surface level fucking bullshit and refusing to have the conversation any deeper than that. When a man, like if I have friends that are men who ring me or talk to me about something personal to them, I try to make an additional effort to support them and actively let them know that they can contact me about it further if they want to talk about it, because I don't trust other men. Yeah, literally, my first thought is, Holy Fuck, if you said this to your friends, how would they help you? Yeah, because I just the thing is is that I know there's I know the conversation is shifting, I know that you know men's friendships are are getting better and more emotionally supportive, but my worry is always like fuck, if I'm not going to be there for you, who will be sometimes, and will you have this conversation again, because it's so sigmatized? Yeah, so, yes, I think there is an issue, but what pisses me off is this total fucking shit argument that men bring out all the time. You know, will post a stat or something about, you know, domestic violence or women's mental health or Bobba, and people be like what about man? Yeah, and it's like you do this only as an argument against women. You never do it as an argument for men. It's either a fucking I'm doing a Selfie and doing a peace sign or a symbol and challenging five of my fucking mates because it's November, or that's it. Like it's just like when they actually need you, what the fuck you doing besides putting on a fucking horse racing bet and sinking piss exactly? Do you know? Another thing, and I don't think this is like means to boo or not to boo, but it's an interesting thing about the way that like people like us few this issue of like not the issue of mental health, of men's mental health, because we we agree that's important, but the issue of we don't talk about men's mental health. Yeah, it is, because the thing for me is like, okay, so periods is a taboo because men made a made it a taboo because at some of their own effects, like women and people who have uteruses. Men's mental health is a Chaboo because men made it a taboo. Yes, so it's kind of like it's just it just I feel like it's just something that should be noted and that I always think about. I'm like, this is just men creating the Patriarchy and then being like Oh, it doesn't work for me anymore. Like it's and I know it wasn't literally the same man who fucking...

...created the pay tracker. He's living today, whatever, but I think it's just like it's a different thing, yes, and I think it's a notable difference to absolutely like point out. But yeah, I mean, honestly, I don't think mental health is. I don't think mental health generally is taboo. I think like when you get into specific diagnosis and Mental Health Disorders, I think there are absolutely that are still very taboo, particularly when you're looking at like sociopathy and like bipolar and bpd. Yeah, I think those are very but I but that's I don't think that's gendered, though. No at to boo and but I totally agree, because I think one of the ones that comes up often, and it's in both categories of taboo and generations broken it down is mental health, and I think that's a difference. Yeah, we haven't broken down the diagnosis part, we've broken down the chatting about it, because literally every day I will come into and be like, and I know we're in a circle, but I will just say exactly how I'm feeling, what's wrong, what's right, what I want to do about it, what I'm not doing about it, like there is that just like open and honest, like I'm not having a good day. Yeah, and there is a very ongoing fluid chat about like overall, like literally we talked about on podcast about burnout a few weeks ago, like it did. There is an openness and I constantly want to be talking about being overworked, Girl boss culture, burnout, those sorts of things, even though you know it's part of mental health. But is that upper layer, a very public layer. But I agree, like, like, but but also, then again, I think that I've seen a lot online, and I know it's online, so there is some questions around that. But a lot of influences, feminists, public figures talking about recently being diagnosed with adhd autism, you know, being neurodivergent, like all these sorts of things, and so I think those things are bringing broken down. But again, I think that when you look there is a distinct structure of mental health that is acceptable and not acceptable in society, and I think there's a tear system. Yeah, what would you say on the ratings? Is Scale for mental health or mental health? That's really hard for me because I don't experience many mental health that would be hard for you. That we're gonna set up. You are going to set up playing right, so fun to help Um. Fuck, I don't know. I guess I can think about it with like if I had like a partner or a very close friend or a family member who had one of those diagnosis. I don't I think I would only talk about it in a circle. But then that's that's more about like I don't want to give out their posessiveig nation. It's really had. That one's really hard for me to like guess where it is. But okay, let's talk about mental health from the more perspective that we're talking about, where it's like how you're going generally. Yeah, just being a check in colleagues, up to colleagues. Yep, I think that's not not people. I just meant. Yeah, but also I don't...

...like people in my business. So that's but I wouldn't do me like it's categorized as though like between so burnout. Fuck, I'll tell everybody whatever. I'm burnt out, I don't care. But if I was sad, I would tell in a circle while the sadness is happening and then probably like friends and maybe colleagues, when it's after I've passed the sadness. Yeah, I agree with and I'll be like, oh, remember when I was really sad, but I've good, fine now. I think the unfortunate difference with me is is that it's very fucking obvious. Yes, you don't need to be told. If that's something's wrong with me, you need to be within a five columb radius just feel the bye. I dating of you. And this is one of the most horrible things has ever been said to me, but it's true and it's that you know, and I think I'm getting better with this, but actually, and I don't think I am. Well, I think maybe it does. Three or four years ago and my friend said to me, like when you walk into a room and you're not right, the room feels it and it's kind of like the entire room has to be on that level. Like that's a bit over dramatic, I think. Okay, well, I think it used to be like that, but I used to just like in flict, not inflict it. But, like, I think it's because I and I think I hope that it's not that I'm trying to impose a mood on everyone, but instead it's that I'm usually the person that comes in and tries to create the vibe. Yeah, and so when I'm not doing that, it's felt more so than I'm like, everyone must suffer, but I think that's more on other people, to be honest. Yeah, because that's more I think that's more about other people being like Oh, he's Hannah, she's bringing the fun. Oh my God, has not fun. What the fuck, what's going on? Yeah, well, I hope it's that, because I don't want to, and I think that's the thing, is that when I'm not in a good place and I'm at a social event and I can't be this like extroverted person that I want to be, I it feels like ten times worse and I plum at myself, like I dig myself a whole because I'm like this entire event is suffering because I'm unhappy, and that is really selfish in a way, but it's because I know how I can be. So when I'm not that it just feels so much worse. It just feels like I'm an alien watching myself and my body fucking being tragic. Like, seriously, that's like a lot, but it's true. Over dramatic, but about true. Like you ever feel like that about it? Don't feel like you're like not yourself and you're like, Oh my God, I can see myself right now, this is embarrassing. No, God, I do feel like that. No, because I mean obviously, because I'm introverted. If I'm like withdrawing in a social setting, it's because I've made the active choice to be like I'm like done now, I'm just gonna like chill here. People can talk to me if they want to. Not going to start Combo, but I don't feel the I'm like it's not my responsibility to like provide others with entertainment. See, I feel like it is. Yeah, that's the difference. HMM, it's interesting. All right. Next, next, kink Bets M definitely still taboo. Definitely. HMM. Yeah, in a circle. Stuff I reckon in society. Yep, and if you talk about it with people that are the thing is is that...

...even if I felt comfortable to tell another layer, HMM, they wouldn't be comfortable. No, and also I just think like in white a society, like we don't know that he talks about it and it's like people think it's like wrong in a moral unfortunately. Yeah, and and I'm not sure if this is like a I don't know if it's shame on my end, because I don't want to say this widely about kink or, you know, sex things generally. And I think that by extending that conversation to people you know less well or less intimately, it feels like harassment. Yes, yes, I don't know if that's going too far, but if I was to talk to someone that I was a friend about it, it would really be testing the waters. Yeah, and I would feel like I was overstepping the mark and it would make me feel ashamed. Yes, but I mean, but it could make someone uncomfortable and I understand that. Yeah, but that's my thing with talking about periods in the workplace is I feel like it's like a bit harassment. Yes, because it's like, wouldn't you just like but I don't think that's the case of periods. Yeah, I know, but that's how I feel about because it's to bodily function. Yeah, I know, but I'm like, are you didn't like coming over here ready to talk about periods? No, no, but it's different. It is different, but that is how I feel about it. Yeah, yeah, I just I mean, I don't really, I I don't feel it. Wouldn't feel ashamed by something like that, but I would just be like, oh, sorry, and if you didn't like that, apology. But then the thing for me is is if that someone wanted to talk about that with me, I'd love it. Yeah, if someone was like Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, by the way, and you know, this happened to me and it was great or it was you know, I would feel again it. For me, it's just privileged to be engaging in a conversation with something, something that someone cares about about their intimate life. But is there any topic that you wouldn't like someone to talk to you about if they had killed someone? Okay, is there any topic? Legal, little, I just sharing something about their life where you wouldn't like them to talk about it? No, because you love that Shit. Yes, I do. There are so many times, like people have come and told things to Hannah, like when we're in the same like circle, the same area, and then you'll say like Oh, this person just told me this and I'm like, Oh fuck, thank God it wasn't me. Really, yeah, I always think that. I'm like thank God people don't want to tell me that stuff. And I'm obvious, obviously, because I'm really shut off to it. I and you know what, I hate the vibe of being like problem magnet or drama magnet. It's not really like that. I think it's just like you make people comfortable to open up. That's that's what I want to do. That's always what I want to do. And when someone says like I feel really comfortable talking to I'm like, that's exactly how I want that to feel like, because, and the thing for me is is like I worry about what other people will respond with. So I always think I'm like a safe place for people to tell me things. Yeah, and it's more just that if someone has chosen again, it's a great privilege if someone wants to choose me to tell something important too, and I want to be there to react in the best way so that they may feel comfortable to tell someone who's more important to them in future. And again, I think it comes back...

...to that idea. Like, I think this sort of connected. You know, when you see those tweets that are like amber heard won't see what you said about her, but your friend who's silently suffering a domestic violence relationship will. Yeah, that's like everything that I agree with in the world. Like, obviously I have no comment on the debt. Try like more talking about the premise of the tweet. There are so many circumtances where people don't want to open up because they feel that they're not going to be supported, and all I want is someone to feel like that is a safe conversation to have, whatever the conversation is. Yeah, yeah, and I just want to we haven't talked about this at all. When Hannah said she doesn't have a comment, it's because we're not talking about the depth when trial. Yeah, Oh, I don't know what I'm looking at. Sorry. Next pubic hair, not to be to talk about, but to boot to see. That's interesting. I feel like seeing pubes are still unacceptable to society. I feel I'm happy to talk about it and will I only talk about with in a circle. Actually, I talk about with friends. MMM, not family. Obviously, give roves. They can just listen to it on the PA. Actually, my poor sister, when she was like fifteen, was like what do you do and I was like what? No, but I was sad that I'd like reacted so poorly because like that's a nice conversation to be able to have with like your sister, and I was like, Kate, please, sorry, ask mom and I was like don't ask mom. Actually, sorry, I just think that, yeah, I don't think talking about is to boot personally. Well, I actually think it's a very judgmental space. Oh yeah, damn all angles. I don't really like talking about it with anyone on the basis that. I mean, anyone can say what they like, but I think the issue in society, released the conversations is is that if you like having no pubic hair, there's kind of an assumption that you are doing it for the mail gays, and if you do like having pubic hare, it's an assumption that you're diverting from the mail gates. Yeah, make me some kind of statement and there's not really a world where it's just our choice. It can't. Of just feels like it's other one where the other. Are we doing it for men or not? And I think that it's just judgmental from all angles. Yeah, but I didn't think judgment or makes it to boo. No, no, agree, yeah, agree, when people regret having children, Oh that's to Bo as. That is far one of the most taboo things I can think of. Even you saying, I was like, ah, I saw it last night. I was like that's one, that's spicy. As far I agree. Actually, I'm really sorry. I'm going to do it. When I was in your eleven, I was in the back of the car and my mom and one of her close friends were in the front and my mom said, if I could go back in time, I wouldn't have children. Yeah, and I was deeply hurt by it for a long time. Still I am in some ways. I actually made an instagram capture and then I said at the end of the caption, but because she's not voting liberal this election, I will not care about her willing willingness to revoke my life and think that's what it's about for...

...me. I actually really respect the honesty. Yeah, but I think it's hard because to me what it communicates as her child is my life isn't worth enough or I'm not good enough to be worthy of you making that decision again. Really. Yeah, I feel like if my mom said that, I wouldn't take it personally. I don't know how you don't take that personally because but your mom wouldn't say it. No, that's that. That's the reason why I'm kind of like, it's not really, but my mom, my anst name was my mom actually didn't, never wanted to have children, but she wanted to marry my dad and he said, if you don't want children, then HMM, and she ended up having three awful, awful but my thing about it is like actually really respect it because as someone who's not sure all the time and some days is like put it in one in me now, yeah, and that's we're dusting, and other days, which is like I could go, I could live my life without them. Yeah, I can understand and respect that. She had a really wonderful life beforehand and, you know, wasn't sure, and that also my mom is like fifty six now. She's still got like a sixteen year old. Yeah, so I think it's more like she's getting older and she doesn't want to have teenagers, and I think it's more about like if she done it earlier, if she'd had them closer together, or Blah, Blah Blah. Like there's it's more that than like total revocation. Yeah, but it really hurts because it's like you would revoke my life if you had the opportunity over again, knowing me and who I am as a person and everything that our life is as a family. Is Ever about you, I know, but how can it not be, because I just feel like if someone said that, it's more about like their life path, thinking about like a different life that they could have, because it's like everyone says like oh I, if I had my time again, I do it differently, but it's like that's because you did it this way. Like I think it's actually more about whatnot. It's not like I regret everything. It's more like who would I have been and how would my life has looked if I had like taken this completely different part? Yeah, no, and I think it's on the premise that she never knew I existed. Like it's going back to that point in saying, if there was a fork in the road again, yeah, I would have done the other thing. Yeah, but the other thing is she said to you when you're eleven. No, no, you know, I was in your eleven, I was seven, Oh, year eleven. But if, like, if my mom said it to me now, I'm like nearly twenty nine, I had been like Cookay, good for you clean. But again, like, I actually have a lot of respect for the fact that she said it because again, I I think that people should more talk about regretting having children, because I agree, I think, fun when it's not your mum, it's easy to say like, oh, that does mean like how their life look differently. Yeah, one, it is your mom. It's like, so what you're saying is and it's hard to separate the two hundred percent. But I understand your point completely. Yeah, and I again I respect and I think it is I I am impressed that she said that, even though she claimed she does. She didn't say that. She probably shouldn't have said it in front of you. Agree the Philip up here me now, Oh my God, I'm soory. Caius, people you know listen to this. Yikes, face the facts. If you didn't find us a completely and suffered.

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