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Episode · 4 months ago

70. Should we give boomers a break?

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In this episode, we're talking about baby boomers just like the rest of the fucking world. Should we give the problematic ones a break? Should we hold them to the same standard as young people? Where's the line between 'I'm from a different generation' and simply being a bigot?

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Hello, I'm Christ and Parison Otto and I'm hard of Ferguson and where, Co founders of Cheek Media Co. This is the weekly Cheek podcast. Before we start this podcast, I would like to acknowledge that we are on stolen lands over the trouble and Yaer people here in me engine and pay my respects to their elders, past, present and emerging. Welcome back to the weekly cheek welcome. Before I start, we have some plugging to do. We have a patreon. Become a pat a patron. I love that. We are our own add space. Yes, no one's paying us except for our patrons. We've been accused of being paid recently and I don't like that. We have not being paid. We're not being paid except for by a patrons. Yes, thank you. Paid. So for four dollars a week you can get access to our close friends list, where we pose extra content for all of the month. Foot as, a month, sorry, photos, a months over the point, which is somebody weapon better correct that immediately. I even in my head said month for then I obviously said week. Are that? So yeah, close friends on our instagram extra content and also just support us if you like our content. All right. So in today's episode we're going to be asking the question should we give boom as a break? No, full stop and of POD. Thanks for listening. Okay, so I would just like to say you know how I hate disclaimers, but I'm, like it really in an angry mood today, like deep in my soul, not to have anger where like if I kick my too, I'm going to scream, I'm going to like pick a fight with Hannah for no reason, but angle like so deep in my soul. Did you just confess that you've picked a fight with me, but for no reason? I always thought there was a very solid reason. No, no, I pick fights with other people for no reason. All, cool, that's such a weird guy. Yeah, I'm so angry in my soul, which usually ends up to be so like I worried that it's going to end in generalizations. So I just like to say the start, I think this kind of these kinds of...

...topics like definitely case by cakes. It really depends on the person absolutely, and I think that a big part of this is, like often the comments we get on if you follow on Instagram, which I'm sure you do, or do it now, do it the videos, the tick tocks that we've made a few of where it's like they and I've had a few older people who followed cheat common be like this is ages and stereotypical and I'm like no, it's my family's observational comedy. It was a major humor. Yes, I think there is an argument to be how that it is stereotypical and ages, especially because the old people that follow us are so progressive, in some of the most progressive followers that we have. Yeah, so it's not saying that every boomert is this person, but I think that I'm hoping that even if you're a boomer listening, you can understand who we're ending this that. Yeah, and it's more it's more just about like the people who use the fact that they are over the age of, you know, sixty two as an excuse to like why they shouldn't, you know, use inclusive language and stuff like that. Is Boot. I think boomers everyone born. I think the cut off is one thousand nine hundred and sixty five M is that correct? Yeah, I'm pretty sure, because my parents are not boomers. My You, my dad's a boom and my mom is a gens. Okay, yeah, booms are around sixty, so you're safe, mom. The youngest of the youngest boomer is like sixty. Yeah, fifty sixty, let's get to it. Okay, I feel they would boom. Is just some of this. Was it with as an insult? It's Hilar and with sometimes, I Karen. Yeah, exactly. Sometimes I mean it as a like a descriptor, like that person is a boomer. I never mean it as anything other than an insults. Just to be wow, I'm the one who's like, I'm so angry today, but now I seem so times. Don't worry, I'm getting never have not worry, I'll get there. You know how these always end exactly like oh Christ to be but what about me belate?...

Okay, I think the first question is for me. Do we have different rules for younger people? Elaborate please, like if they are two people too, if there are two men and one is twenty five and one is fifty five and they say the same problematic thing, are we more angry at the younger? Like, do we expect more from the younger? Said, yes, but I think for good reason. Yeah, I think this is a bit random, but I remember going to a comedy special once where the comedian described it really accurately and they talked about this idea of like imagine our brain as like a library that has a librarian that keeps the archids of every thought you've ever had. And sometimes you might think or say something and think, fuck, I have an updated that file in a while. And when you say it, when you hear someone say something, you go to librarian, whoever that whatever their name is. I'm going to call Mine Bernadette M I go fuck, Burnadette, what's my what's my opinion on that? And then she runs into the file and goes, Oh Shit, two thousand and ten, you thought about x. You have an updated that thought since then. I go to fuck a better work on that right now. Right. I think that when we're younger, we need to be moving faster with these things and keeping up with the social change that our generation is pushing. Yeah, I think, while I think we should expect more from older people in our lives, and it's not an excuse to say like they've run out of software updates. It used to be mic six, I used to say things like that about like my grandparents, like they've just run out of software updates. But I think that there are different rules purely because the rate at which young people should be updating their views and forming their views, because they're still malleable and growing and learning it. There is a higher expectation, there's a higher threshold because the world is changing to when these older people grew up. Yeah, they haven't access the archives. Some of the ideas that were coming up with now have never been a file in their memory bank. Yeah, that's the other thing. Some things I've literally never had to face. HMM. So I think there is an Argem of that. That's my view. How...

I mean? I was going to say how much do you think about I think you think about it quite a lot. Like what's going to be the first thing that younger people say to us? I can if you know, it's probably not like the generation who are like teenagers now, but the next one who say something away us like God, I think it's when they say I want to marry a robot and I say what the fuck, and I like, like, I get with them. Break my opinion. Is it that you can't Maar a robot? It's wise marriage. Still think so. True. Agree your relationship with your ever? No, but I think there will be things, but I think so. I mean there are topics that come up now that I'm like fuck, I'm not with the program yeah, right. So I think that will happen more and more often. But then the question is like where as we get older, what are we expecting and what treatment do we want from younger people when they're they're sharing these ideas with us. HMM, do I want them? Like how should we approach these conversations in a way that has empathy but also is expecting you to learn? Like do I want to be treated with empathy because I'm an older person? Not Really, because I don't treat other people. I don't have empathy for all the people that say offensive things exactly. Have Compassion for that and I have an understanding of maybe why, HMM, but that doesn't excuse them in my mind. Yeah, I think with older people also. I'm not sure if you have this in your family or with your friends family, but I know a couple of my close friends they tend to have this view of like there's a particular older person their life and you know, they go, oh, it's just grandma, oh, it's just GRANDPA, oh it's just uncle Bob. Old, blah, Blah Blah. And it's not everyone, always it's always. It's usually one of the figurehead, matriarch of the family. I find it is usually women to that. They just looked and they're like, oh, she's just a character and she's just got a way about it and we just leave her alone. Yeah, I resent that. I also think if you're willing to teach everyone else, why not that person, because they're a bit different, right. Yeah. The other thing is there's a lot of older people to get it. HMM, and that's what I always point to, like would betty wide of it? Of those problem that it. Yeah, exactly, we are capable, they are capable. Yeah, so why not? Yeah, and I think the thing is, like,...

...because I think the argument, and you could argue this by both ways, is that will things are changing, like things are happening so quickly now. One thing that when people say that, I'm like, are they like, are they actually changing quicker than I ever? Like, I guess we do have the Internet, but it is a bit hard to tell because, like we are here now and we weren't. But I don't know, because I haven't been alive that long. But it feels like there's so many conversations happening at once right now. Yeah, and I think that there's des because there's so many competing interests that are becoming ticking time bombs. Yeah, like I think climate actions the number one thing, but there are a lot of key issues on the table right now that I feel, especially in the last three to seven years, say, have sped up in terms of the expectation for us to grow and change and have a social shift in conversation. But it also think that's because, as the social change is happening, legislation, institutions leadership is not growing at the same rate. Yeah, I think the idea of government and societies that laws reflect social values and mindsets at the time, and I said they take so long. Yeah, but I actually think that in the last decade we've gotten further away from that. Like, I think that social shift is happening at a pace that is is far outrunning legislative and institutional change. Yeah, I think that's the biggest problem, is that the divide is getting wider, and that's because of the Internet. That, but I think that the left and the right of further apartment they've ever been agree and I also think that it's not so much that things necessarily have changed quicker, it's just that conversations that were previously like held in pockets of society and now held publicly because of the Internet. So, like, I mean, if you think that you're like the only if you think that this is the first generation of radical feminist like, you're so wrong. Like all of this shit was happening for many decades and like centuries before we came along, but it probably wasn't as widespread, apart from, you know, those his be historical moments in society, like when the suffragets one the vote and things like...

...that. But I think that those the people who are who were radical even back just in s well, like kind of I mean they were label hippies, obviously, or like nut jobs or whatever, and they were kind of like in their own little pockets and because there was no way to, you know, widely have broad conversations about progressive and radical ideas that they were talking about, it was much easier to ignore it or even to have never had any me like access to those types of conversations. But I think we're asking more questions that it than have ever been asked before. I think so too. Yes, so, I think because I agree with you, like I think you're saying that maybe the change hasn't you're saying the change hasn't speed up. I guess I'm just saying I don't know. I think it's more that it's not really about the speed of the change, it's just about like how connected we are. Yeah, I think maybe it just feels so heightened because of the last two years. Agree, and I think it's because I don't think there's a very day or something controversial doesn't come up in the news that I'm thinking. I've never thought about that before, whether it be something like, I mean, when we think about the feminist questions we've asked over the last year, like there are so many, yeah, and there are so many to continue asking, like Emily Radakowski, so less bar. But that sort of stuff is one section of it, and then there's like we've actually got respected works, actual rassment. Then we've got topic masculinity, and then we've got we've got like one hundred corners and every day I watch something on the ticket of what I'm like, Holy Fuck, I've never thought that about about that before. Like, yeah, that's never crossed my mind and then it just explode something in my brain and I'm like there's another thing to add to the list. Yeah, it's kind of terrifying. Maybe it's not that the speed is changing, but the overwhelm of information. Is it tense? Agree. Agree, and I just think like so, if we just assume from moment that things are happening quicker now, I think that, you know, I'm twenty eight and there is like I'm a millennial and what I feel like that's a dirty word now. Wow, I'm t you too a b...

...about it's becoming kind of a donny word. diagree with yeah, which is interesting. Jen X of kind of looked out of it, even though they're technically in like boom a territory. Well, Jen x are like always known as like the Sandwich Generation, like the generation that have forgotten about, because they're the sandwich generation, is like, because they are caring for their parents at simultaneously while simultaneously caring for their children. Yeah, so it's very like a particularly the Gen x women. I think that's like a quite an interesting like conversation that often gets left out because I think like, and I can only speak from my own perspective, but my mum always was quite quite a feminist, but probably wasn't like is definitely not as like out there and is assertive with her views as I am. Yeah, so I think there are a lot of times when I've had conversations with young women who really discount the efforts of Gen x women, because it's not really it's because, like I think it's because the stuff things that the suffragettes did, it's just like, oh, well, they got the vote, that's very much like, that's what they did solid. But then the things that second generation women did, Jen x women did, are kind of the aspects that now radical feminist are like, well, that's not enough. It's because it's happened like recently enough that it's like, why didn't they do more? And they're still around. So I think it's I just think it's a tough one. Anyway, what was I talking about? Twenty eight, that's right, I'm letting them. Sorry. Anyway, a derailed demiled. I do rather myself because I just think that's an interesting there is a book about it. I started reading it, but about like the basically like the plight of the Gen Xwoman. But I started reading it not knowing what it was about and I started reading I was like that's not really for me. It just didn't really capture me because I didn't relate. Yeah, but I just still have the book. Okay, I can tell you what it's called if you like later, because I don't know what it is anyway. Actualate clog, yes, secret book. Sponsored look at up. You almost got a shout out. What is it?...

It's got to like a catchy name anyway. So point is, if we're assuming that things are happening fast and now, I feel like there are tons of ideas that have been brought up by Jen zed and just like by ticktock in general, that I've thought I've never heard of that before. I've got our betting it onto it. And the thing is like, when I hear about it the first time, like sometimes I do feel like a bit attacked, I guess because I'm like, Oh my God, I'm old and like not progressive enough to keep up with these young people. Yeah, but you're the most progressive person I know. Thanks, Queen. It's because, like I'm on, I mean quite deep, on ticktock. It's usually doing tick to not to put on the spot. Where is this something you can point you where you were like fuck, Um, I have those moments, but I can't I can't recall one. I think one of them that happened a few years ago was the I think I guess I would call it like the full dismantling of the Binary Yep, like I obviously have understood like trans issues and like the idea of being non binary, but in terms of like the very specific, guess, labels and identities on that spectrum. And then, and I always like I did understand pronouns like fairly eat. I think it's quite simple, to be honest. When I first heard about I was like all right, cool, but then I think, I guess, like the next step into it, like the very diverse spectrum of like genders that people identifiers. I was a bit confused by and I think that was one that I definitely remember. A couple of years ago. I was like what is this? How do I don't understand it. But, do you know what, I wasn't a fucking dickhead about it. I just just like I just think that, like it's not that hard to be like, okay, interesting, noted. Not Going to say I'm a bit into it exactly,...

...and like I just think that the thing is like with that, you know, often boomers, the types of people that we're talking about now, I just so quick to like, I don't know, just react like so hatefully to these types of things just because they don't like it's not I don't care that you don't get it like live. Can we please? I don't know if I've ranted about this on the podcast or if I did it in real life somewhere. So sorry, but can we just normalize like not understanding things? It's fine if you don't understand it. I'm never going to understand like what it's like to be a Transperson, and that's okay, because I'm if I'm not going to have lived experience in it, I can't understand it to that extent. But I understand that I don't understand it and that's kind of the point, is that that person's experience is not going to be my experience. And why can't I just be like well, that's that's some new information that I will now observe quietly and not have any fucking opinion on cut I also think it's funny because I think that comes from a place for a lot of boomers where they think that because they've had lived experience through different world events to us and a part of history that will never know, that makes them the gatekeeper of opinions. Yeah, yeah, but but that is that is my experience. Yeah, so true. I think that a lot of the time it's like will, you're not old enough to know anything about the world, and I think my retaliation or my rebuttal to that is but I don't think that you know enough about the world I've existed in. Yes, because I think that you have this view of how it used to be and that actually overshadows your understanding and ability to modernize. Yeah, because you're so entrenched in what used to happen, in the way things used to be, that you have no ability to be flexible and adapt to the new environment. Yeah, but also, I think what's concerning to me is I'm like, did you think that that world was good enough? I know is, did you thoroughly enjoy the S and sevent S, because, no offense that you were...

...now face, it doesn't sound like I was very fun. But it's also a lot of women defending this and I'm like those were potentially some of the arguably worst times for women. Yeah, right, and I don't think the world is perfect, but I think that the vision that we're trying to create is so valid. Yeah, and I think that it's really interesting to be so entrenched in your experience of your own childhood and so attached to these memories that you think that, because I haven't sat there and lived through that experience with you, that my view is inherently wrong. Yeah, and it is. It. I think it's challenging, especially when you're in family situations, because they, like you, have no idea, and I don't have any idea what it was like to live through fucking wars. and well, I mean, I guess in a sense I do, but not in the way that they did. Yeah, and I feel like there are some questions that can't be us. I think a lot of boms ask interesting questions of our values and I think their opinions about and they should have space at the table when a lot of conversations. But I think it's it's about at least admitting that your view is unreliable or lacks lacks objectivity. Yeah, like I think part of it is like, yeah, I don't know, I don't know about that, and that's the thing admitting you're wrong, admitting you don't know, amitting you don't have a little experience to answer that question like fucking normalize not being an expert. Yeah, exactly. But and then if you take it and I guess, another step, it's actually very elitist, like just because I don't know like, let's say politics, like obviously we talk a lot about politics every single day, and just because I don't know like the intricacies of like the Hawk Golm want, doesn't mean that I don't get to have a say on politics. Like it's not. That's Australian history, like political history, is not relevant to my personal opinion of where I sit in the political spectrum and it doesn't negate my ability to have opinions or what is going on now and the kind of legislation that I would like to see in the future. Like it's not, it's not necessary. You don't have to be an except have an opinion. Like that's that actually like part of a larger problem on why young people, and the particular young women, are so...

...like disempowered when it comes to politics, because we've been told by if you're not next Fer, then you're getting a fucking opinion, like we're just talking about comments. That on one of our tick on some of that tick tocks that like whenever we talk about the economy. It's just like, what would you know? Your poor? Like, first of all, I didn't know. You're my accountant. Yeah, and second of all, like my banks. Yeah, like one someone commented on Hannah's like you don't have enough money to have an opinion on what is good for the economy. So it's funny because I said, by the Look of you, your net worth, is it high enough to also, I was interesting. T shirt was a black TSHIRT, your poor, and I had my hair in apponenty, like, Oh, I'm empath. I'm sense seeing your bank balance is low because of all the old milk mockers. You get. Fuck off, Dickheady, talking about me. This is a problem. Extrud Shrek, you know, I'm talking always that, that guy, he's always there's always there. Go Away. Why you sub seller as it's like you shouldn't, in my opinion, like they'll so low, so lower socioeconomic people probably have a better idea about what's good for the economy because, like, no, fucking offense. Actually, yes, offense, but if you were rich, like, what is economy have to do with you? Truly? Yeah, if you have a lot of fucking money, then the economy could be gone to shitting. You be for just fine. Yeah, fuck you, trek one. Someone got me a beast the other day. Oh my God, people are so mean just because I'm taller than you, Shrek. Also, a lot of the people that we get like hate for comments from our burm and men. Absolutely, they have a majority of them. Why are you so insecure? Or user? Six, three, seven, two, four, ninety eight, because they don't want to the face exactly hate you. Why don't you make a company and get twenty exactly eighteen months and then fucking come and talk to why do you make a podcast and no one will listen to rightly, all right, oh, so this is an important point, I think. The...

...way, and I kind of touched on this at the start, about how like we are like semi generalizing. But the only reason I generalize is because every fucking time it's the same kind of verse. And who says this shit? Anyway, I think that like be part of it for me is looking at like when people have views that are like biggoted and we're not just talking about like conservative political values first, progressive values talking. We're talking about like people who a bigger and who are like purposefully hateful because, in quotes, they like don't get at all. They it things are different in their day or whatever. I just got a weird, cool breeze on. Yes, I have the same experience. That's so weird. Ghost, a ghost goes to a boomers pass exactly as waunting us is looking at the opportunity that they have had to learn and evolve and like the exposure that they've had to, you know, progressive ideas or like societal issues. So like if someone, if there's like a six year old white man who's grow grown up, you know, in rural Australia, probably not going to have had very much exposure to progressive politics and like gender politics and, you know, intersectionality. And I think that that is, while it's not an excuse, because I think at the end of the day, like why can't you just like treat other people like human beings? But I do think that it is a different conversation to be had when it's someone who genuinely has never had any exposure to any of these things. I mean, I don't know what how much that is worth, but I just think it's like a different thing to someone who to like the same, the exact same six year old white man who's grown up in in a city, Melbourne, for example. Yeah, like you have had you've had opportunities, like it's everywhere. Yeah, and like get with the program and educate yourself. Do you know how to use the Internet?...

And I'm not asking that sarcastically, genuinely. If you know how to use the Internet, then you do have access to finding out information for yourself. No good, just go to the career mail. Wow, didn't and true, true, something I I'm not sure this is up topic. I'm hoping I could bring it back in a roundabout way. But an interesting tick tocks that I saw that really set me off about a lot of you know, bim mentality and old people mentality, is that a lot of the things that have existed historically, if they were brought in now, would be seen as like Communist or socialist. So, like, think about libraries. Right if libraries didn't exist and right now, the government was like, we're going to bring in these places where you can access books for free and you can access all the information you want and it's like a place where you come and loan things and like that would be seen as like a so commy. Yeah, like that's yeah, we didn't have Medicare like America, that you have not successfully brought in universal healthcare. Right, if Medica didn't existt if superannuation didn't exist and right now someone proposed it, they'd be like the fuck. But that to me indicate where moving as a society more conservative. Yeah, or that the Conservatives are the labs voice, because these ideas that exist in us, like the most fundamental and best parts of our society, that have existed for a long time, would now be seen as like dirty communist or socialist activity. Yeah, that's interesting. Really fucks me up all the time because I'm like, these things have existed for you, I mean not not every not all of those things. Yeah, for a long time. But it's interesting how like Medicare and superannuation would have been brought in while they were alive. YEA, and they'll probably pretty happy to take that. But now it's you know, they are voting for a government that is trying to undermine those system exactly. That's that interests me. Yeah, that is quite interesting. I wonder if it's because they now have enough money that they don't rely on Medicare and things like, like examples like that. But that's the thing. Is like what makes someone fundamentally change that view? Just money? Because I...

...still aspire, problematic, to be comfortable, m right, not rich, comfortable. Yeah, and as a young person, I think and as young people, we don't have enough money on the whole. Lot of us, and that's a lot of the time, why we have progressive values, because we understand the need for welfare, for healthcare, for education, for all of these protections, right, that are that that provide us basic human rights. Yeah, social housing, blah, blah, blah, public housing. What challenges and changes that view as we grow older? Is it just money? Is it comfortability? I think usually I would say that it is just money, but the amount of people who, I know it in like the last the last federal election, and who probably still will this election, vote against their interests makes me wonder. But also I just wonder if it's like if it's money, but also the like aspiration for money and like the belief that you will get there and you will have a lot of money. At some stage. I also think that there is a bit of like an ego thing, like I think that boom is particularly boom and men are so used to like running the world and now they feel even that it's still running it, but they feel threatened. I'm not sure if you saw, I shared this postage yesterday called and it's talking about the concept of aggrieved entitlement. Yeah, and I never heard the term, but it it makes sense. So it's literally explaining that when someone has held power for a period of time and then someone else tries to come in and take a share of that power, that would result in a quality or equity of some form, because they've held the power for so long and it's being taken from them, even to the benefit of equal treatment. It's aggrieved entitlement and they're like will now. So...

...the cartoon is like a man is sitting on a bench alone and a woman comes and is on the bench because there's a space on the bench, and then he's like well, I can't sit on this bench anymore and it's like no, this space for both of us on the bench. It's like, but it's my bench, I can't stretch my legs out, but I think. I think that's the thing because, as you know, there's that quote that we talked about the pub before. You know, equality to the powerful feels like appression. Yeah, because you have to lose something in order for someone else to gain it. Yeah, even though there's still plenty of that for you. Yep, don't worry. It's like you can't take a credit. Someone's just having a slice and you're not bruce bog trottering it anyway. You can't have you got it, the whole cake by yourself. Yeah, exactly, but I just want to have it. Yeah, and when to keep it? I just think I don't know. For me, and again this is like my anger coming out. I've been saving it to the end. I just like I'm just losing patients, truly, like I always and I feel like I've gone on about this in the podcast before. So call me hypocrite if you want, I don't care. I know I'm being one. But, like everything I talk about, like, Oh, we need to like bring people along for the ride. But I do understand where, like I am getting to the point, particularly in election time, that I'm like get, get what the fucking program like. Seriously, do like and it's always young people and it's so often young women, and it's also so often diverse groups of people who have to do the emotional labor to try and fucking educate these people who just just so they don't so they aren't like discriminatory towards them. Yeah, that is so fucked up, like get your shit together, like if you actually the amount of people in this category, boomers, men, whatever, white people who are like so like they it's like it's like abortion, like they take this on as their personal thing. They're like all my only one belief in the whole world is is being anti abortion. It's like, well, why don't you take some time to you have all of this time that it obviously, you know, just takes up so...

...much of your brain space. Like have you ever thought to like actually look into anything about it? Like you don't know anything except that it bothers you that women can do what they want with their body, like you spend so much fucking time on it. Why do you look into it yourself instead of having to have, you know, your grandchildren probably be like look, here is an opposing viewpoint for you. For example, why does it affect you if a woman across the other side of the world has an abortion? The answer is it doesn't. How many people have you seen all these videos on tick truck with those like anti abortion protesters and they've got those sides and things that say like choose adoption, and journalists go in and there like how many people have you adopted? None. None of the fucking adopted. Anybody like it. Just like get a fucking grip. It's also like, I think comes back to if if that's the hill you're willing to die on, you don't know much about that. He'll exactly like it's just like just makes me so mad. The resources are out there if you are even remotely interested, instead of just arching up and being like, Oh, this is too much for me and it's challenging me, because I've always been like the king of society and now I feel like someone's challenging me and trying to sit on my bench. They just going to be fucking discriminatory. And then you want to go around and be like wow, things are different in my day when the interest rates were show high. Fuck off. Why is that relevant? At least you could have a house anyway. I just I'm so it sick of having to like do the Labor for these people at the end of the day like that. That is like probably my biggest scry, I think. The the other thing is I'm more willing to do it around election time because I'm like, I can transfer a vote more easily than I can transfer a view. Yeah, and that, I guess in a way that seems contrayu hypocritical, because it's like, well, isn't that? Isn't that the same thing? Not, not really. I think convincing someone to vote for a different party for a certain reason is easier than fundamentally altering someone's opinion of abortion or...

...climate change or something like that. But there is something satisfying at the moment to having these conversations and hearing people that I've known my whole life to vote liberal that aren't this election. Yeah, and that is empowering. Yeah, but it also is exhausting. Yeah. Well, I actually had a conversation with my partner the other day and he or yesterday. So I'm said, not reluant, but he was like in terms of like talking about politics to conservative people and he's like you just got to tell them, like you know Scott Morrison, he's an all right guy, but he's not right for Australia. And I'm like, you know how many fucking people that probably works on? Yeah, like because they don't like cater to your audience exactly. And Conservatives don't lie because they have this idea that lefties are just like having a go and try to kind of cancel everyone, even though that's what they do. Just saying that, every time I see an attack go personal, nine times out of ten is a fucking conservative making a personal but anyway, whatever, it's the safe space. I don't say that's to the Conservatives, obviously, but like the idea you're of. You know, lefty's attacking Scott Morrison is going to make them like hold on to him even tighter. So that's actually very true. Oh yeah, a really good way to put it. I just feel ill when I's think about doing that. I know it feels against my values. Yeah, it's like, I know, I know, I'm like someone else can do that. I'm happy being the stereotype, exactly. The angry, angry woman was shaved head. If you didn't find us a completely insufferable come back next Wednesday for a new episode. Could also find this on instagram at cheek media co or online cheek Mediacom to day. You yes, the flat, that's the one.

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