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Episode · 1 year ago

44. Is Scott Morrison or Tony Abbott the worse Prime Minister?

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In this episode, we compare Scott Morrison to Tony Abbott in a showdown for who was the worse Prime Minister. We're currently in the most divisive and volatile political climate in our lifetimes - but would things be 'worse' if Mr Abbott was still around? Which PM has the biggest ego? Let's discuss.

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Hello, I'm Christ and Parison Otto and I'm hard a focuson and where co founders of Cheek mediac this is the weekly Cheek podcast. Obviously two of the worst prime ministers in our lifetime. We were only born in the ninety swo three. We don't know about any other ones. I literally told someone at work the other day that my friend wants to be the prime minister. My friend. Yeah, you think we're friend. Welcome back to the weekly Cheek podcast. Awesome. Today we are going to be talking about every controversial topic. We didn't lose this controversial to thirty five minutes ago before we ordered dominoes. Yes, so we just ate dominos and now we're going to talk about it. The question is, who is worse? Tony Abbott or Scott Morrison? The actual way I framed it was like who would who would you? Who would you rather be prime minister? Yeah, if who is the worst prime minister? Yeah, all the same, but we'll be talking about all of it. Yeah. So to get things started, I have a surprise for your queen. Is it a surprise? fucking argument? No, okay, go on, I have some quotes, okay, and I want you to guess where the Tony or Scott? So that's actually fun. I thought I I kept a defy. I thought you were going to be on my fucking pick my face and I was bleeding. What I was going to say was I thought this was you like a surprise attack. Here is my arguments. I've been developing all week. Oh No, no, okay, I do have some arguments for both anyway. All right, let's do it. Okay, the first one. This is me doing what I do. I'm out, I'm listening, I'm hearing and I'm doing Scott. Yep, that's it's way he speaks. I could hear it in his voice. I know. I tried not to do it like here. It's so hard. We've always said that offshore processing is the way to handle those who have arrived illegally by boat, and that's what we're doing. It could be either. Scott. Yeah, wow, you're doing well. Claim it's because this is weird, but when Tony was around, Labor had been deep into those offshore processing mmm orders as well, and I think that it's because of the we've always yes, it's a more historical reference. That's why I went Scott. Sorry, just the analysis behind my decision out of because, and I think like by this time everyone knows, but like stop the boats was Tony's whole thing, but Scott Marsh Morrison was actually like part of that main yeah, push, but Tony would claim it as his own, as I used to like historically, referencing what we've always done. That's so true because, well, we'll get into it the differences between Scott and Tony later. Such a fun guy. What was so Lud? You're surprised me with this. Well, also because we didn't know if we're going to do this topic. Yeah, and I was like I don't know if I want to do it, and I was like my game. Also, just a side note which I thought was funny because so we usually call Scott Morrison squat or clot or plot Morrison, and when I wrote it into my notes it auto corrected to Swat. What. So that's a new one. Okay, Cole is good for humanity, coal is good for prosperity. Cole is an essential part of our economic future here in Australia and right around the world. Tony, you're really good...

...at this. It's the way it's I can hear it because the rhetoric of Tony out it is better than Scots. Yeah, I'm trying to say it in the way that they would say it. Okay, so, if are you doing better than neck at this, just so fuy. But also, I'll say I've not like I can't recall these myself. It's literally the language for me. Yeah, I don't remember any of these happening. All Right, Australia is not a secular country. It's a free country. This is a nation where you have the freedom to allow to follow any belief system you choose. Secularism is just one that's really tough because they're both religious. Scott Yeah, wow, queen. Yes, my God, I'm actually legend sometimes. This is so weird that I'm going to say this. Sometimes I really question like how well I understand politics and like how up with it I am. Yeah, but when I do well, I'm good at stuff like this. I'm like, I hear, I know, like I'm an observed. I am this is a good okay. So this was just when the budget was about to be announced, a budget no cuts to education, no cuts to health, no change pensions, no change to the GST and no cuts to the ABC or SPS. Queen that is not good as like in terms of trying to guess. That is just a fact as opposed to like a statement. It's because I'll tell you later, afterwards for yet. Yeah, Tony, yea, and that was this is the only one I remember actually happening, because he announced that and then the budget came out announcing big cuts to the ABC. That's any reason. I left in them. God, I'm at a hundred percent right now. Yeah, you're doing very well, queen. How many of this is just one more case. This is the six of six. There's really only one thing to say here, and that is that we stopped the boats. That's good for Australia, it's good for Indonesia and it's good for particularly and it's particularly good for those who want to see a better world. Tony. Yeah, that was obvious. Yeah, I should they shouldn't have left it for last. No, no, it's I think I'm just excellent. I think I'm just incredible. Oh my God, I'm so proud. I'm so glad you enjoyed. Can you send us to me? I'm going to test David later. Yeah, this is a fun quiz. Follow us. I hope you're playing along. When I did it for Nick. There were only five and he got four out of five. So I didn't do I added in one of the boats ones. I can't remember which one, but I was one game. I was actually trying to find one. That's Scott Morrison said the phrase stop the boats, but it was hard to find because at this time it's like a really long time ago, and so it like when i Google like Scott Morrison quote stopped the boats, not not much came, I think also because now there's such more of the adult population so against that and they don't use the tagline. I think he avoids it because people aren't, I think in two thousand and twelve, you know, like those primary stop the boats years, it was like...

...the tagline that people got behind. But I don't think it people feel the same way now exactly. I don't think they like look to associate it. No, and something that really I mean so many things strong to stop the boats, but something that I always think, and like I'm preaching to the quiet here, but they didn't actually stop the boats. They just turned them around. They did turn backs. They which actually means that people were in the boat up to twice as long anyway. That's just my I thought about them coming here. That's what they did. Yes, they kept the they make sure that if, if people were going to die on the boats, that it was far away from Australia. M that's literally all they did, and label was did not stand in the way of that. By the way, what a segment. I'm like the rush of being excellent is like was it? I wouldn't do very well in those things. I don't think I'd be like, Oh really, yeah, I'm not really that good at stuff like that, like like trivial purstute or, you know, like Trivia and apart like fuck. I'm literally a ball of stress, like I can't handle it. I love it, I like I like it the perfect topic because I only have two options, so it's a fifty shot. And truly what I think about is like the context of the time, Yep, and how they speak. I think I would do better if it was written down, if I could see the quote and then like write down or like tick a box, but when it it's like verbal, I'm just really not good at it. Maybe I'll make some one of those few queens that's really fun. I won't make them fun. Are you can if you like. Okay, I will. If you want to, I will participate, but I'm just I just want to. I guess I just want to put it out there that I'm probably not going to be as good as you. I might come with something different for you. Oh yes, fun, fun, and phone. We've got to two, two, three more podcasts to record after this, and now I'm like, fucking I many games is like the tonight show. Okay, so all right, Tony, first Scott, sorry, squats. First Squat. vers wapis tone. What is it? Tone with an EGE. You Remember? That? Mean not too any live. What about it? It was just like whatever and called him tone. Yeah, anyway. So like two of the I mean obviously two of the worst prime ministers in our lifetime. We were only born in the ninety, so three. We don't know about any other ones. When if I said that people like John Howard is the worst, I'm like sorry, I don't remember that. Interesting though. I'll stalking my mum about this the other day. You know what she said? John Howard was the last prime minister we had. That was a true visionary. ha ha ha. I C even if it's for the worst. He wasn't I think Kevin Rudd was a visionary. I think so too. Yeah, anyway, back to Alay to it. I was in a meeting a few months ago now and this one was like we haven't...

...had a good prime minister since Bob Hawk, and I was like, what about Julie Gillard? But like, I love this weird thing. I don't know. I think the way that politics works now is you're on the shopping board so much easier. Exactly. I don't think we'll see a prime minister that holds a term longer than like six to eight years for like a really long time. Me Neither. But even like people like Malcolm Turnbull. Now everyone's like, oh he was so great, but at the time everyone was fucking like both sides were just like Fuck Malcolm Jamble. I think I'll have to do it, be the prime minister. I lesterally told someone at work the other day that my friend wants to be the prime minister. My friend. Yeah, you think we're friend, ha ha is it similars my business planner one. Okay, I gotta get serious. I gotta get angry. Gotta get angry. So I think the I think a good place to start is actually the stop the boats, which we did. We were there briefly. We'll come back to it, because it like was when Tony and squat were working as a team. So the thing about arguing for which is worse, because I was thinking about this, I'm like, who's going to be the the loser? But really the loser is the nation of Australia. Deep Queen, we are the losers. We are, and I think that I'm showing my cards early, but I think that might so I my belief is that Scott Morrison is worse overall, and one of the reasons is because I think that there is a higher likelihood of Australia reelecting Scott Morrison. Then there is Tony Abbott. Therefore, as a progressive person who wants to see our progressive government, Scott Morrison is worse because there's more likelihood of him staying around. For me and actually put the pole to the followers some aggressive responses. Was Not expecting, Yep, but many people said that Tony Abbott is more likely to lose. So in a way, bringing him in would be better for us, because he will lose yes election right exactly, and given the opportunity, he will probably prime minister tomorrow. Yeah, he has not fucked off. He's like the Cor coroas that never dies. Yeah, I'm not sure if you saw me post the other day that about his podcast of the Institute of Public Affairs, Australia's heartland. It's embarrassing. One the edit on that podcast covers humiliate. Oh my God, it's so it's actually pretty high up on the PODCAST. It was top fifty when I looked at it. That's been more for news. Don't know how it's news. I don't know how it's above ours. Frankly, we're in that. We're in the hundreds of let you know, Guy, if you're listening to difference on what day exactly. Clear. Once we have been number two in the news commentary in Australia before we were second. Yeah, not. I mean top to yes is the same, but second to second, well, if you were the first, you wouldn't say I'm I'm the winner of the top two. Anyway.

I immediately now I'm actually totally willing to be wrong because I don't think there's a right answer here. MM, which doesn't really make sense with what was I'm going to be wrong because there's no right it is a it is another thing, like what one of our followers said. If if I had to choose gun to my head, I'd take the bullets. Basically, I actually think Tony is worse because I think he's the more capable and competent leader. I think his ideas are more dangerous and I think he we are at risk of him implementing those ideas. Tony Abbott was vocally misogynistic, vocally sexist, was against gay marriage and says an awful homophobic things. While he was a leader, leader of the nation. He also outwardly opposed abortion. He outwill the opposed a lot of things and verbalize these at every opportunity that he had, and I think that the fact that he was capable of implementing change and was a strong leader because he had stronger rhetoric than Scott, and I think that he was capable of influenting policy in parliament, and I think that poses the greater risk, hmm, to our country. Yeah, I think Scott is useless. I I think that there's but I'll argue for your side. As well. As talking to David, my partner, about this morning, and he was like yeah, ill fucking round Scott is worse and this is why. And he was like it's more about the context of the cabinet and the corruption within that. This leadership as a team, like Scott is just being useless while like the car park roughts, you know, like there's clearly a corruption. What drug issue here, Porter Dottons, you know, all of these things they've done. Has the air under Tony Abbott to yes, but the entire porter shit fight has been under Scott and he has done fuck all about it. Yeah, and I think the issues with I mean I think Scott is more guilty by a mission, like what he does is fail to act. Yeah, he failed to implement the safe at work recommendations. He's failed to do the things, which I think is not an emission, but it's an active choice. I guess you got I'm saying. It's more like what he's not doing, yeah, is inappropriate. Was I think Tony Abbott was like actively doing and implementing awful things. Tony Abbott actively repealed the carbon tax that Julie Lard's government implemented. Like I think one of the worst things you can do is when progressive change is happening, is to stop it in its tracks and revert it, because I think that the Abbot government repealing climate the carbon tax and sort of going backwards in terms of climate action actually paved the way for a series of liberal governments to also ignore it. Wow, I didn't know how much I knew. This morning I was like, well, do I know about her, but it's it is hard to argue with that. I think, and we've already talked about this off the podcast, but Tony Abbott is we believe to be more conservative in his political leaning. Well, vocally I think Scott is extremely conservative, but I think...

...he's not willing to say many things. We'll see. This is the thing, and I remember like this comes up so often because I talk about the people who vote for trump because they truly believe in him and the people who vote for trump because they didn't bother to look into it. I think it's I think there's something worse and more dangerous about someone who is not open with their where they stand, which is Scott Morrison, because he will fucking say anything to like, make people happy or to do what he thinks will make people happy, like all of the comments he's so turning out. It was openly misogynistic, as you mentioned. Like he talked about, you know, what the housewives need to understand as they do their ironing. He talked, he said, discussing things about his daughters. He said all the things about Julia Gillard that I don't want to get into because I will actually cry, whereas Scott will get up there and speak the women's summit and say that he is like he greatly respects his wife and Jenny said this and I wouldn't want the same thing. So Scott Morrison, I don't think, has put any type of thought into, you know, women safety or anything to do with a respect at work, and I don't think he is even attempting to try to be an hour to women. But he will say things that he thinks will appease women. Hmm and like he totally falls flat, and I think that's kind of where, I guess my argument breaks down a bit, because it doesn't work, but he thinks that it does. Yeah, whereas Tony are but you kind of just like what you see is what you get. Tony Abbott made a fucking idiot himself in the media so many times because he just did like the wildest shit. Like do you remember that clip where he just didn't speak to that journalist? Yes, that was one of the worst PR moments ever. I watched that so much in Uni it's actually painful to watch. Like I have physically covered my eyes when that clippers. So what essentially happens? So basically, he it was when he made the comment when he was talking to troops and they were talking about how one of their own had died and Tony Abbott kind of said, I can remember the phrase he said, but he basically said like tough shit like that sucks. That was his comment and so Australia was just like, what the fuck, that's not that's not like a bad day in the office. So he a journalist. I'm pretty sure we're think it was like in the grass at Parliament House. Journalist went and it. I'm assuming it was set up by Tony Avis media team to try, and we don't do some crisis manage him. And the journalist said like what do you have of to say about that, Tony, like what you know? What did you mean to say? What? Like he was kind of giving me an opportunity to get back in a show's good graces. Holds the microphone out to him and Tony Abbott just doesn't say anything any light. He looks really angry and he's like kind of like shaking his head a little bit. It's like he's shaking with rage. And then journalist...

...is like prime minister, and Tony Abbitta says nothing. And so I think that he was Tony Abbit in some ways actually had the had an inability to hide he's true, who he truly was in front of all media. After less are evil? What? Yes, yes, because I think it is less. I don't think it's as dangerous because you kind of like can see. I don't know, you just you just know who he is, you know what he stands for and you know what he's capable of, whereas I really don't think we ever truly know what's got Morrison's capable of. Yeah, you know who I wish was here for this? Turnbull. What right here? Are you reckon? I would actually love to hear I would think that would be so fascinating. I think he would say Scott's worse. I think he would too. Yeah, so that's the right end. That's okay. It also like a personal thing, like Scott l rolled him from its role. Yeah, but I actually think like I think someone like not to get into the personality thing side more of it, but I think this is a their comment. Someone like Kevin Rudd would be much dirtier about that because Kevin Walks into a room and I I believe that he the person that Kevin is is that he walks into a room and he believes he's the smartest person in that room. Yeah, I think that Malcolm Turnbull has more humility than that and it's a bit more grounded. Yeah, I think Malcolm would obviously have really, really bad thoughts and views on Scott Morrison, but I especially reading his book plug flanks. I read Malcolm Ms Book, but he's his summaries of people are quite clever and I find good observations. Obviously I'm sitting here like loved his summary of Barnaby Joyce. It's exactly like the man I pictured. I don't know Barnaby Joyce, but when I read it I think that's incredibly level headed from someone that shouldn't have that view at all. Yeah, like his descriptions, in the way that he considers and explains people, I think is incredibly clever and I would definitely have time to listen to his observations. It's got, despite the fact that's completely skewed by this hmm, like I just think some politicians on a rub each other in the fucking mud. Or Yeah, and but I think Malcolm has a quite an interesting insight into people. So if whoever he said is worst, you would believe him. I would want to know why I did. Obviously he knows them as people. Yeah, but also Malcolm Tell I truly believe Malcolm Turmble to be a feminist, and I dove don't know if you need to be one of the best liberal prime ministers that this country will oversee. Yes, for our purposes, I was going to yeah, exactly, for us, because he's probably the most progressive liberal prime minister. Yeah, and another thing that came to me, and I was thinking about this bit earlier, is like where Rupert Murdoch fits in, because, in case you didn't know, Rupert Murdock picks the prime ministers of the liberal National Coalition. He handslects them like I don't believe anyone has proper proof of this, but it's like a very, like badly kept secret. Because that was the reason why Malcolm Turnbull went, is...

...because he was not good for Rupert Murdoch. Ru a market. Murdock did not like him. He was too progressive. So I think that Scott Morrison is a much better puppet for murdock and I think is much more likely to get bullied by murdock or like directed or guided by Murdoch to do he's seeing desperate to keep the position exactly, whereas I I don't. I feel really weird like in quotes defending Tony Abbot, because I'm not doing that because I just think he's like the worst. Like if you would asked me one year ago, I probably would have said he's the worst man in Australian politics, but now I think Scott Morrison's worth there's a lot of competition at the moment, exactly, because then Christian porter. Anyways, I actually say on this afterwards as well. Okay, I really don't. I don't think that. I don't think that Rupert Murdock could bully Tony Abbott in the same way he could bullie Scott Morrison. Agree, because I think Tony Abbott would be much more like, well, it's my way, I will do this and I will do that, like the kind of the stuff that Tony Abbott did, like no one was fucking no one told him what to do. You could see that. It was so obvious. Yeah, like he could not be told, he could not be guided by anyone. There were so many times, like the interview he said nothing, like the time he had an onion. Who advised that? Who let that happen? where, I thought, like under his media Tim of doing right now, behind the scenes, because they're probably dislike either like writing their letter of rescentation. We like, how do we make this like for going exactly exactly so. Yeah, on this burdock idea, your dad said something interesting which has stuck in my brain. Shout out, Rick. When I'm at your dad recently and we were at dinner, he said and I thought, Oh my God, this has spun my world upside down, but it makes perfect sense. He thought that the next Liberal leader being lined up was Christian porter, HMM, and I completely agree with that. And this was before he resigned from the front bench. Yeah, sorry, yeah, this is it's much harder now. It's been much harder since the allegation. Yeah, my dad wasn't like, well, he'll be take this, Freddy'll get back there. Aren't you? Worry. It wasn't all. So, yeah, he doesn't like him. It was not in support at all. It was a observa think, and as huge observation, that the reason that the Liberal Party was all is also so slow to condemn poured off for any of the allegations, Bla, blah, is because that he was being lined up to be the next liberal leader, because there's really no one else in competition at the moments. God is in the perfect position. Yeah, because I think Josh Friedenberg, but Friedenburg and Dutton are really the only valid on it went. They went picked up and they won't picked une in because Ralia will not vote for dotten and Friedenburg is just not the personality that they want. But he's in the position of treasure. So I'd say he's the most prominent besides Scott Really. Yeah, but pored...

...up was probably the most intellectual and well spoken of the bunch. So pre allegations like he was the pick. MMM, probably murdocks pick to but all, I would actually argue that porter would not stand for port would be at the level of Abbot in terms of questioning. Yeah, but I think that's interesting because also it surprises me. The only I don't this is a bit off topic. My only thought around that is if Scott was smart enough to have even the slightest suspicion that porter might be in line for the throne, wouldn't he want to get rid of him? I think that he was too, because I've been thinking a lot about this, because I thought the same thing. But then I also thought, but Scott Morrison doesn't want to have fractures in the Liberal Party. But then I thought he actually did get rid of Craig Kelly and Andrew Lamming. Yeah, but eventually they are not threats, they are only threats to his reputation. Yes, this is all the things that I was thinking, but I don't know, maybe Scott Morrison is on. Like how much younger is Porter Than Scott Morris? And maybe fifty? Okay, and Scott Morrison's only a few years older. Yeah, porter is, I think. I mean, I know comment. I think porter needs to go right. That's all I'm going to say. Yeah, we don't want to be suited on this podcast, but hint, hint as to our opinion on what's gone down. But I do think that porter is smarter and more capable leader than Scott Morrison if the rest of the clouded context wouldn't exist. Interesting. Yeah, I think. I think porter would be somewhere between a Tony Abbot and Malcolm Turnbull, had the allegations not come out. Same, but a lot more conservative than Malcolm Turnbull. Yes, from what I honestly, I don't really know much about Christian Porter's politics or anything like that. No, because everything's been recontextualized as to what's happened exactly. But like his experience, his past work. Hmm, he's clearly highly intellectual person. But what if Scott Morrison was involved in having Christian porter involved, like lined up as a succession plan? I don't think that Scott would be open to it. Would you be open to a succession plan? I think you have to be if you were comfortable in the leadership. Yeah, but you're not going to be the leader forever, I think. Nowadays, succession plan to me screams lives bill. Yeah, yeah, I get that. Like I just think that if you think someone's being lined up for your job next, that indicates that it could happen at any time. With a bill, yes, but if they but when a government loses they have to change leadership. Yeah, at Kevin Right. I actually think probably the biggest question there is what Christian pauts popularity was like within the party, because it would have to come down to that. Yeah, it's hard to say. Now. If Scott didn't think he could be voted out in the party by Porter,...

...he would have felt safe. But would Australi be more likely to vote for boorder? Not Now, but previously. If nothing had happened in the last year, Scott Morrison would have been absolutely fucking done, like if the election was a year ago. At least Tony is honest about being a see, that's my whole thing. Yeah, this is one of the answers from our pole. Follow us, Cheek Media Co on Instagram to get involved. What is it? What is the poll at right now? Forty eight percent Scott Morrison. We would rather have, MMM, fifty two percent turning out, but would rather have it's really and it's been evenly split for the last like our yeah, pretty much the whole time. So it's really and it is an obviously like a really hard decision because we hate them both. Yeah, it is no right an here. I think it's just interesting because it's more about style of leadership and who the political person is exactly Tony. The other thing is Tony our be is much more divisive. Yeah, whereas I think Scott Morrison, I just see him as like a I think it's because he's star. Tony Abbot is more true to his beliefs. Yeah, and he's more of a polarizing figure, whereas Scott Morrison, like he'll do something, he'll like fuck up and then he'll like pretend like he's really sorry and he doesn't really say anything that commits to anything. The other thing is Scott Morrison lies. Scott Morrison lies to get out of anything, like he'll just say stuff, and I feel like Tony Abbott didn't really didn't, didn't do that to the extent where we saw the lies being exposed. Yeah, whereas Scott Morrison's lies are exposed and I think they're most pivotal thing which we had in conversations independently, is that we believe that the climate, the political climate in Australian now is significantly worse than it was back when Tony Abbott was yeah, which I think is a now that I said that, I'm kind of like M but was it worse for women, like I guess the thing is, like Tony Abbotts said a lot of things that were very obviously sexist and so gyenistic. He said terrible things about Julie Gillard and just generally about the women of Australia, whereas Scott Morrison protects people who have, you know, allegedly or probably assaulted harassed women in the past, and so he covers up, he covers up and defends people for doing these things or allegedly doing these things. Is that I don't know if that's worse. You can't really say, can you? It's pretty impossible. It's just more of a difference that I like absolutely, but I just I think that things are much worse now. I think this is like a like the most volatile political climate that I've been alive for. Yes, and a lot of people have said that, like, I know we're still young, young sprightly chickens, but I think that appard to be aged. I prepared, but I just think that things at...

...the moment are really bad. Yeah, the other thing I like to point out. It made me really angry back in the day because when America elected trump, everyone was like Americans are so fuck and dumb, like we would never do that. I'm like, hello, we had to any other that before trump. I don't think that's comparative. But he's the same kind of person. Yes, but I think a but as much brighter then trump. I don't think we know how smart trump is, but avert would not come out and just say, you know, should we inject bleach to treat covid do you know me? Like there's certain things that I'm like. But he was the same time. I'm not saying that he was. He was the same as bad. HAP to take person. Yes, that's in terms of the tears of like capacity. Yeah, but that's sorry. Again, I feel like I need to shower every time I think I'm getting close to defending one of these fuck withs. Yeah, it is. It is terrible. I think it's we should look at it as more like assessing the culture and the political climate. Now verse, when Tony Abbot was prime minister, Pale, Male, stale. A lot of people I know say, let's like the what did she say? So what I know? The Revolution begins when we get mediocre white men out of politics, and I think that I mean Tony Out. It was a rhad scholar wasn't he yea, which is like only a Ford to like the smartest of the smart. Yeah, who gets to be SAR Breeley's book? That's be smart, really bizarre. Who Do you think smarter? Abbot, sorry, abt all Morrison. Yeah, Abbot. Yeah, I think Abbot could trick people into moving his way. I think Scott is just hiding. Interesting. I think Scott has the rhetoric or the wit behind him to manipulate people. I think that takes a certain capacity and level of intelligence and I don't think that Morrison possesses that. So he ducks it, he denies it and he walks away. Who Do you think is the worst person? Like is in terms of like ethics? Abbot. Interesting, yeah, because he's forthcoming. So I don't know how deep it runs for Scott. So true, but I think the thing is is that that directly contradicts my other argument, which is I think that behind closed doors, Scott Morrison is a horrible, horrible calculated individual. And if that's the case, then it's Morrison. But because I cannot accurate at least say how deeply that runs and what it actually looks like behind closed doors. I don't know, but if the it is the case and he has the same views as abbot or worse, but he's hiding them, that makes him the worst person ethically, even if they're even interest. Yes, yeah, I agree. Final question. Do you think attorney Abbott would have managed the pandemic better than Scott Morrison? Yes, I think he would have made decisions, yea more actively. I also just think he would come up and front the press a lot more often. I think that the conversations would be higher quality and I think that, like I think it's a little things like I don't think...

Abbot would have apologized died that, but I don't think I would have got there. The other thing is I think Scott Morrison doesn't make decisions, but I think with the pandemic, Tony Out, you would have always known what he was thinking. You know something that really gets to me actually, and this was a weird conversation about Scott Morrison and, like we said in the podcast, now be a week or two ago, one of the most United Times for Australia was when Scott Morrison fucked off to Hawaii during the bush fires. Yeah, and I distinctly remember during the bush fires there was this specific commentary around the fact that Tony Abbot actual volunteers with the rural fire service. Yeah, and he was out there holding a hose and going out there, but it isn't that crazy to fit it out. It really annoyed because one of the things was if it was Tony Abbott, he would be doing a better job because he would be there. Yeah, and I'm not saying Scott Morrison needs to hold a hose mate, but it's that difference that was so stark, like, Holy Fuck, what are we dealing with right now? If Tony Abbot looks good, that's what I was so I was so angry. It's got writing about that. I was like, you made Tony Abbott look good, but I think that's what it comes back to and that's why something like a pandemic, I think Abbot would have done a better job. Yeah, I agree. Like something that politicians fane and it's fucking fake, is going on the ground and like hugging and thanking and loving people, right, and it's often a publicity stunned and often it's just like yeah, I really good, PR moved in on the ground and shake some hands. Scott Moriston, fuck that up. Yeah, and even if it's fake, they do it right and it provides some sense of connection to the community and breaking down that barrier between leadership and real people. Scott Morrison doesn't even do that. Yeah, like, what can you see? Obviously in locked and its pendemics it's a bit different, like, but there's not that connection between him and people ever. Know, like he couldn't front to protest the much for justice right the commentary every time. He just fails to be a human. HMM. I think that's one of his biggest letdowns. Abbot can position himself and convince people that he's connected to the communities he represents, even if it's fake. Yeah, people believe it. Scott can't even do that. That's why I'm going to be so stressed out if he gets re elected. Yeah, what does he done to show that he has any connection to the public? He skips out on lockdown rules, he goes home for father's Day weekend, he goes on holiday, he feels a SE's final final question. Oh my God, who do you think as a bigger ego? That's a really hard one. I was I can't pick either. I think it's Morrison Right now because he's wearing the pants right now. Abbot's been. I guess I mean like at the time. Oh, Abbot. No, I think it manifests in a different way, because I think Tony Abbott would want to be like the hero and the like winner of the pandemic, for example, where that would drive him. It's good, exactly, whereas Scott Morrison had. His EGO is so big and it works in a way that it's like he thinks he doesn't even have to fucking be here. Yeah, which is terrible. And know what it is for me with Scott? It's when he's being...

...asked questions, need cannot help but do the SMIRK. Oh God. Tony Abbot had about Smirke, though, true, but when I see that, I think you don't have like you sleep at night really easily. Yeah, that doesn't have any remorse. Yeah, and that really sickens me deeply, MMM, worse than the lactose that I drink sometimes. I think that, Tony Out, it's the same in that way, though. Yeah, are you're right, though. It manifests or I think it's a really, really good that's a hot take, Christian. Thank you. If you found us just totally a relatable at work. You come back next one's day for a new episode. Until then, head to cheek. Mediacom Donna you to tie you over until then. By good bye.

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