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82. Why do the Kardashians always get a pass?

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In this episode, we're discussing the prominent women who always get a 'pass,' including the Kardashians, Jackie O, and recently-rebranded-feminist Julie Bishop.

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Hello, I'm Christin PARISINATO and I'm Hannah Ferguson and where CO founders of Cheek Media Co. This is the weekly Cheek podcast. Before we start this podcast, I'd like to acknowledge that we are recording on stolen land of the Yager and durable people, and this is, was and always will be aboriginal land. Welcome back to the weekly cheek welcome, we'll welcome. Today we are talking what I do that every time. subconsciously. Today I'm feeling really uncomfortable because I haven't worn I've just got my new Garment Watch and obviously at a lot of people about this fire kids watch, but it's really not my aesthet it's really not my look and so I'm wearing a really funky up it that I'm I think it's a bit too funky for who I am as a person. If you're watching, if you see any of the reels, but the watch is really off putting for me. Oh really, yeah, so I'm going to be I'm a bit should I take it off now, because I wanted my stress levels. I want to know what's happening. You want to watch your blood pressure increase when I make some oh my God, that's actually so true. I've never been under it before. So let's measure where right now. Okay, I'll tell you what my stress level is. Twenty two out of a hundred. That's the lowest it's been in weeks. I don't have a I don't know how to get a stress level, but I can tell you my heart rate is seventy two. That's high. My heart rate is seventy and that's hipe. Oh No, not really. My heart rate goes between fifty and then to a hundred and ten if I get nervous Um and then my body out of a hundred is my energy is sixty one is the best, and then stress, a hundred is like the worst. So I'm at twenty three. So yeah, okay, that's extremely low for me, who was someone who is constantly stressed. Stressed me too. I'm actually not. I'm like a bit of a weird in a weird stick with my stress at the moment you are. It's like almost Um, I don't want to say despondency because that's too dramatic, but it's just like blank. That's how I feel a bit, I know, but in literally in like four days, if that's going to be my one of my big stress is going to be over. I just I want to bring you out of it now,...

...but I know I can't do anything about it really. It's just gonna just need to get angry. Okay, I'm just trying to carry a bit more of our mental load as a shared business partnership here, but I don't know if it's being helpful. No, it is, it is. Thank you. Um. Okay, we're talking about Oh today we're talking about and now, obviously I think the title will be something different, because I think we'll come up with something a bit juicy whilst this happens. But the idea of today's podcast is to talk about this idea of women who get a pass, and what we mean by that is women who maybe engage in anti feminist or even misogynistic behavior or are aligned socially in the public eye with Misogynists, and they are still popular and supported by women. And so this idea of the free pass is like, for example, one of the best examples is someone like Kim Kardashian, or you're going to start there, yeah, or someone like Jackieo of Kyle and Jackie Oh. How do these women interact with the public and why do we not let them off the hook? But why do we hold some women to a much higher standard in terms of their feminism, and why do we accept and support and popularize these ideas and continue to back them? Because they've both had very long careers. Yes, I think we should start with Jackieo, because I think she's worse than than most. Is She worse Than Kim? No, I think so, Jesus. All right, let's go, but the thing is, Um, the Kardashians have a much broader reach. So I guess you could argue that they worst, but I think, like in a vacuum, what Jackieo does is worse because it's so over. Okay, so what's this fucking name? Kyle, KYL SANDERLANZ. I always get confused with him and Kyle Stefanovic. Both awful. Yeah, they are, but but sandalans are so much worse anyway. So Kyl Kyle Kle like to fumly apologize. I like. I would like to point out before we get into this, I showed Christ in a picture of...

Eddie Maguire last year and he was like, I've never seen him before. I was like you're fucking kidding me, nate, and I was like owner of I think he owned Collingwood football club, and then he don't know. Yeah, but I was I didn't expect you know the owner of Collingwood football club, but I expect you to know the host of hot seat or who wants to be a millionaire every night for the past fucking how long. I knew the name, but I was like who is that? I didn't know, but I don't care about the name. I expect you to recognize that face. No, I didn't recognize the face, but I recognize the name, but I didn't know from what. That is so strange. So I am I have no problem with this Carl Kyle thing because, so, just to be clear, I'm talking about Kyle Dan I'll tell you who. She's been talking about it as an error. Yeah, although I'm not that sorry if I get it wrong. To be quite honest, just kidding, is that? I am joking. Okay, so Kyle Stefanovic, I mean he needs no fun. I don't stop. Stop, stop, stop, stop. I'm just going to call him sandy lands from now on. Kyle and Jackieo, Kyle and Jackio, Kyle, Kyle like monster energy punched in the wall. Kyle, okay, Kyle, Kyle, Kyle, Kyle is fucked. Okay, we I don't even want to talk about him, to be honest, because I don't want to Gi him any airtime at all. But it's sometimes it's always a balance between like do you talk about these people to be like they are fucked, and I think that the thing about him is like it almost like I almost feel like I don't even need to explain what's wrong with him, like he's so openly misogynistic and Um seems to be uncancellable, which is the biggest problem for me. Well, I think I just have a problem with shock jocks, generally left and right wing, because I think that what they are pandering too as an audience of reactors and by painting a very specific picture of what Australia is and what it looks like and the...

...opinions that there are. And they're the same people that talk about cancel culture and talk about how divisive and polarized in the country is and how radical each side is, and they're the ones directly feeding into that narrative. So someone like Kyle Sandelens is the person that gets up and says, ladies, have got a hot tip for you in order if your men not to cheat on a night out and sure that he leaves balls empty for the night out. fucking excuse me, can't. I'm sorry, but that is just absolutely fucking foul and the fact that people on their drive home, listen to that ship day in day is fucking disturbing. Yes, is disturbing and it's not short of that. Such a huge platform and he and Jackieo were, I think last year the year before, the highest paid radio presenters in the country. Um, and they continue to be platforms, which is disgusting to me. So and I think that for me, and what we're talking about today, obviously, is not him, but the fact that, like every one does like, people criticize him a lot. Obviously, I'm not saying that he's not criticized. It just doesn't go anywhere, but they people like Jackieo, gets a pass all the time, in my opinion, and I think that we should be but to be quite honest, I think we should be criticizing her just as much as we criticize him. No, I don't agree with that, but I do think that the thing that makes it. Worse for me is that Jackieo's job is to laugh at him and then sort of pull him into line, and it's in a way that's like Oh, K Kayl you can hear the tone right and I think it's more pathetic and I don't think she's the same as him because she's not perpetuating the same narrative, but the fact that she's there as the clear secondary to him, very very clearly she is not the talent there, she is just the support act to react to him is even more foul to me, like she is literally just there as some sort of inanimate object that sort of just gives him a weird audience and tries to mitigate or mediate or moderate him in some way, but doesn't...

...actually do it. No, and clearly is supportive of most of his views or the fundamental se and then when he sort of goes a bit wacky, she's there to not whip him into shape or pull him into line or offer a different perspective or offer something valuable to the conversation, but purely just to provide like Ah, stop, you fucking know these people in your everyday life and they're the people that they're the reason we need feminism. Yeah, literally, I still think I do agree with you, but I think that she should be I think every time we complain about him, we should be complaining about her. No, I don't think that's necessarily fair, but I think it's actually sadder that she exists in this space. That is just like, well, you're not actually it. Do you feel more betrayed by her than him? Oh, I don't feel betrayed by him. We should bring back the death penalty. So that was very shocked. Drove the negative feelings you feel towards him. What percentage of them do you feel towards her? Really, wow, I just think that I could. I think that I could have a productive conversation with her and she would admit things and concede points, because I don't think that as a character, and this is probably really offensive to most people, but I don't, because a character is that strong. Like I do not think she could go up against me in an argument and win right, whereas Kyle doesn't have the capacity for that. I know that Kyle is too far gone. I think the Jackie is doing the wrong thing and she's letting down women, but I don't think she's the same as him, and I don't think that. I think that you can have conversations with her where you get to a midpoint. But but that's not relevant if she's not doing delivering that on radio. No, I know, but she's not delivering what he's delivering. She's just standing by. Is a bystander as worse as a as bad as a perpetrator? That's in that no, no, but in this circumstance it's I think that they should be held to the same standards because of the amount of money that they're both getting. Like she could, like she could fucking leave. That's the thing for me. He'd still have a platform. Yeah, I know, but she's choosing to be a part of it. Yeah, no, I know, she's feeding off it...

...and she and this is this is where it does come into this, like, oh well, are you making it work for you? Is this like the patriarchal bargain? You're making the Patriarchy work for you? It's kind of like Julie Bishop. Yeah, like it's the same sort of concept and obviously there's like a lot of women. I can't rest, but it's like Julie Bishop was happy to be a part of Liberal Party, happy to be in leadership roles, happy to tow that line until she left, and then she would come out and be this fucking feminist hero, saying the big swinging Dick's club and call them all out, and it's like it only suited you when it was perfect for the brand. If jackieo resigned like now, because they've been doing this show for fucking ever, and started being like doing a Julie Bishop and being like such a feminist, I would absolutely lose my ship. But this is the other question. Is that progress? No. So what do you wanted to do? It's too fucking late. I want her to have stopped it years ago, like decades, I know, but this is I'm obviously like, get fun, Julie Bishop. You can't just turn around and rebrand because it suits you. I am of that line, but I'm also like, this is better than the alternative. I don't it's because, and I think this is where we differ, it's because I do like. It's because I think that they are just changing the narrative based on what they think is going to suit them, and I have no fucking time for that because, like, if Julie Bishop was a feminist, this whole time and she just told the line and she was like, you know, maybe she would say she's oppressed or she had to be keep quiet when she was in the Liberal Party. Then you are participating the system that you don't fundamentally believe it, and I fucking hate that on how absolutely dare you. But that's my take and I I agree in my personal life. That's what I think. But I think when we're having these conversations, while I think it's easy to just be like, it's very black and white, you're fucking done, that's really not how we should approach this if we want to create change. Because, yes, I know and I know that this is a I know...

...that this is a question where it's like yes, of course, fuck you, fuck you, you should have been there for us, you should blah, blah, blah, Blah Blah. But any progress is progress and any change of heart and any like what Julie Bishop can do is change the hearts and minds of women that we can't access, don't it's not about whether you care. That's the thing, and I'm not saying we have to be like sorry, go Julie, Julie, just sit in my home in private and go fuck you, Julie. I mean we do it, let us down, we do it publicly or so, but I think to be pragmatic and think about change more broadly than our own personal viewpoint. Julie Bishop will do things that I fundamentally disagree with, but her brand of feminism, if you can call it that, which is another argument, will reach and change the opinions and minds of other women that we can't reach in some small way, and that is something I just think that goes to the same argument. Like that. I just think that the women whose minds she can change by doing that, I just like, Um, I don't want to say like a lesser version of her, but like a less because she is a public figure. I just think that is like a scale down to normal person level of the same ship. And I'm like so what? So, like what? It's just to me, it's just it's just always comes back to like wanting to be a feminist because it's trendy. What is your theory of change? My theory of change is small, incremental, manageable change. I don't know if that it's true anymore, but that's I've lost it. I've lost the plot, but I think. I think also maybe in a few days when you listen back to this, you might think that what I'm saying is this might be one of those small things, and I just don't think that's a small she's not for us. There are a lot of different people out there that need to access different types of content and different types of feminism and although we dis agree with some of those brands of feminism, if it means that...

...my grandma has a different view of Grace Tame not shaking Scott Morrison's hand because she's thought about it a bit, heard someone else speak on it, no matter who that is, no matter how problem the problematic that person is, there is some capacity for change and that opinion creates conversation and it's a tidle wave in my view. I Hate Julie Bishop, I fucking Hate Jackie. I hate the Kardashians. Right, I'm not saying they're good, but what I'm saying is when women do change their tune, there is something small to be celebrated in that, even though I fundamentally, I fundamentally disagree with what they've done. I disagree with what they've done to this point and it might be just as a marketing strategy because feminism is trendy. But if there's an outcome that contributes to change in some positive way, I'm not celebrating them, I'm taking it as a win for myself. I see what you're saying. I just can't I get what you're saying to and I agree in private. Yeah, but I think we need to think about this. Is like something that helps us, not hinders. I just think it okay. So say, if you've got someone, probably a woman like just based on demographics, who supported Julie Bishop all through her career in the Liberal Party and then she left and she like had this like feminist rebranding which ironically came with her releasing a fucking Barbie Doll, oh my God, and then they've taken that journey and they've been like, well, now I'm a feminist because I mean not of it, not like verbatim, but like they become more feminist because Julie Bishop has started talking about feminism. I just don't honestly, to be quite frank, don't have any respect for that person. I don't have, we don't have to respect them, and I don't, and I also don't believe that they actually have. I don't think that someone who can be influenced by something like that is going to be a genuine, like fellow traveler for the movement. That's my problem. I agree, I agree, and I don't respect Julie Bishop. I don't know, I don't. I'm not accusing you of horrendous thing. Where do you respect, jully bishop? Did you buy...

...that Bobby Doll? Did you make this? If you Robbie in the BOBBIE FIT scrumptious? If you respect Julie Bishop, this is you're probably not listen. Do you see what I mean? Like it's not about respect and it's not about for me, it's not about providing some sort of trial of their feminism. I don't want to, I'm not. I just don't think they're going to be helpful. They're not helpful. It was no one's help, for it was queen were fucked. We're so far, doesn't that but then doesn't that negate your point that they're going to be it's about the intramental chain. It is. But what I'm saying is we are far ahead of that race. They're running a few steps behind us, at least ten, I would say, maybe a hundred. But what that means is they're dragging some people in the back, they're pulling them along for the ride. But then, like, what would that result in? What then may be voting till and is that a bad thing? No, I'm genuinely asking. That's what I think. That's that's exactly what I'm saying. Is that's an outcome that is creating change. MM Hmmm, I don't know what. I like it. I know, I think we should go back because I think what the conversation has become. I think about a free pass. Bit more about yes, but also I think that Julie Bishop does get a free pass. So yes, yeah, I think the Kardashians. But can I make it a weird, a weird comparison that I think might be me canceling myself. Of course can. How is it different? Okay, so Julie Bishop came out of the Liberal Party and decided to be a born again feminist. When I say feminist, weird just now. What about is there a difference between the way that Malcolm Turnbull has now come out against because I think that you could argue, and I probably don't know if I would, but you could argue...

...that now, like what Malcolm Turnbull is saying is that, like Scott Morrison's liberal government or Liberal Party is not true to the liberal ideology. So, like is do you think there's like if we're talking about women getting a pass? I guess it's kind of the opposite of that. But like is that? Is he doing the same thing as she did? Malcolm? Yeah, do you think? I mean he did cross the floor and vote climate. But what? What about him? Has Come Out and rebranded? Is the question. I think. Well, no, no, I mean it's that's what I'm saying. It's a bit different. He's come out and said this Liberal Party is Um. Is that the same thing? Because I think that he did run his the Liberal Party the way he believes is liberal, true liberal ideology, and then he's coming out and critiqued the next leader and obviously there's a lot of spite in it, Um and issues, because Morrison sucked him off. But I think he can also like look through the spy like. Yeah, I actually have quite a positive view of Malcolm Turnbull, which I think a lot of people would be surprised by, but I should. He was on the wrong side. Yeah, I think that there was always an argument that he should have been a Labor leader and he could have been part of Labor Party. But yeah, I didn't. He had quite a brilliant career, to be frank. Anyway're not going to get into that right now, but I read his book. Actually, it was sick. I read six percent and I was obviously he did some fun things. Any Liberal leader did, any leader does. To be honest, I'm not saying I'm not. He was really bad on the on some first nations issues, and I think that's not talked about a lot. No, it's not. So we're not here to like be like he's Fum, yes, but I actually think he'd be. He's one of my top people I'd love to interview because I think that he has a lot of progressive views for a liberal leader and I think he's probably one of the few liberal leaders that I would trust to make a lot of decisions. Um and, and I think that what he...

...did was not like what the leadership did. I think that was my question. Yeah, I don't think it's comparable. Interesting. All right, Kardashians. I hate talking about these people. I know you we call them the K words at time because I don't like my phone to listen to me saying there name. But interestingly, I've got a question box up on instagram other day that was like, Oh, it was a meme and people responded to it. The meme was like it's something that's fucked about. Like our cultural conscience, or collective conscience, is that you cannot watch a TV show or listen to an album or, no, a celebrity, but you can know everything about that purely by the commentary that's online. And then people, everyone, came back with stranger things than the Kardashians. Interesting, I've never watched an episode, I've never bought a product, but yet I know everything about the Kardashians. Yes, I know a disturbing amount, given I specifically try to avoid them, you know. Um, okay, so this conversation started like months ago when, well, when Willie and Sydney in much women's Day, women's Day, March, yes, and we're at what was that thing called all about women? All about women? It was like a festival slash semin seven. Yeah, yeah, conference type thing, and we watched a talk that Um an in conversation like event, with rock sand gay and she said something to the effect of the Kardashians always get a pass and I have a lot to answer for. Yes, yes, and I was like pop off because I feel like the way I feel about it, and not so much now, but definitely like a couple of years ago, when I was a bit younger and, like my friends were all a bit younger. Um, I felt like you could not criticize the Kardashians and it was like seen as anti feminist if you did that, because it was like, well, they're women who have made it and no one talked about like. I think there they do get a bit more criticism now, and I don't know if that's just because I'm in like more progressive circles a bit older. I don't...

...know if that's because the world generally is criticizing them more, Um, but I think that they do have a lot to answer for and I think that especially Kim gets away with a lot of ship that other people wouldn't get away with. Yeah, and I think that the what they portray online, the manufactured drama, the body image, the image is such a big one. But not only what they've had, the procedures they've had themselves, but the products they make. They are covering every aspect of Diet Culture, eating disorders or shapewear, makeup, like it's every lollipop, everything they it's all, you know, laxive tea, oh you'll feel great after you shoot yourself to death and lose three kilos a day, like excellent. How much you get fucking paid to advertise that, like it is terrifying to me and I think that we can't singularly and individually say they are the cause of diet culture in this world, but I think that contribution is so notably significant. Exactly, even like the because I think like the Kardashians like started the trend of like the bigger bums being in fashion, like curves coming back or whatever after the UM. I mean I think it's wead when people talk about this, because I always say that skinny, it's like skinniness in women is always in trend, always, but then the Kardashians, like, I guess, started up a whole new sect of trendiness and I think that some people would say that, oh, but they're like pushing against the need to be skinny with bringing back the curves. I think that's total fucking bullshit. No, they are just manufacturing a new like unachievable body type. Yes, exactly, and like the Um and we did do an episode like ages ago about Um plastic surgery. Um, so you can scroll back and watch listen to that. But, and I think that this is not really the place to have that argument, because the get I'll big go off track, but they did UM.

They are like fairly open about a lot of surgeries now and a lot of girls and young women were getting surgeries to look like the Kardashians. Also black fishing, like they do that. But now at there's this conversation around the fact that they've a lot of them having their implants removed, and now there's like this discussion around them changing the body standard again, the beauty standard, because now that they're having there's been all these images I've seen online of multiple of the Kardashians removing their button implants, and now it's talking about how BBL is not in anymore and now it's going back to a thinner look as the most popular look and because of them choosing to do that. How is that possible and how does three people say, and I mean I know there's more than three, but I think three. It's I've only seen to have the people talking about the implants being a Kim and chloe. How does two people having butt implants removed to change the beauty standard world, in the Western world, exactly? Also, money, like the amount of fucking money that they spend on those types of things and the amount of money that they make based on like even I can't fucking open tiktok without seeing reviews of Um Kim's fucking shapewear line and like I can't either. It's so it's but it's pretty convincing stuff. Have you seen them? Yes, it's really convincing. Like, the more I look at them, I'm like, fun, that looks impressive. Yes, it's so concerning how that just immediately changes things. And I saw so many reviews of people being like, Oh my God, look now I have a gap in my jeans. Um. But then I saw this one woman who is quite skinny already and she does like Um, like body, body positivity, but she does like kind of like this is a real life kind of body stuff, and she put on the one of the body suits and she was like showed where it cut into her leg and she was like this is so uncomfortable. It's cuting into my leg and even like when...

...you look at how much of a difference the tops make in the bodysuits make to your stomach area, like it's significant and I just don't see a fucking world where that is not uncomfortable. Oh the whole. How many times have you heard beauty is pain in your life? Not for a while. Yeah, I know, I've said it before, unfortunately. And what's interesting is the reason these women get to pass from other women is because we have devalued the impact it has on our mental health and body image and, above that, put on a pedestal. Girl boss culture and their ability to run a business and be popular and maintain fame has been prioritized over this calm and also they occasionally will throw out something feminist. What do they get up your ass? And it seems like nobody workes the work these days. So true, but I just think like I don't why. I don't really know why they get a past that other people don't. Is it just because they're so famous? I think it's because people love the content, people aspire to that type of existence and they are admired for their ability to I think there's this view that they must be so clever and smart to be able to maintain this for so long. I don't for me, it's not a question of intellect. I don't give a funk what's going on in their minds. I can't give a funk. I just think that normalizing the way their family interacts and putting your life on a stage for people to consume Um is disturbing. And the way that they I mean, is it sick that we are impressed by what they've managed to do? Yes, because it's the it's at the cost of,...

...like a lot of women and girls, mental health, and I think the fact that we think that's impressive and admirable is concerning and I think that it says everything about the age of social media and capitalism. Like I think that they are the perfect representation of what our society has become, which is why they continue to be popular. And I don't even know if they get a pass because they're so hated, but they're so comfortable with that, because all that does is drive their success further. We're talking about it and that's the thing. That's why I don't talk. I prefer to just not talk about them at all. But I think particularly when and we've been sitting on this for months. Obviously, when Rox and gay said that, I was like, funk, that is exactly what I thought, what I think, but I didn't, I didn't ever actually put words to it. But I guess the other thing is, like, I think that a lot of people might be listening to this, I might be wrong, and think like, why can't we just enjoy the show, go back to the Bachelor? But I think that is a perfect thing to note, because I think that as individuals who are just we're just cogs in the machine, so many of us, and why can't we just go home and put on some trash and enjoy it? And I think that's a valid question. I think I think that is a valid question to us. When we do this is like, but I just want to watch the show and I love the drama, I love reality TV and I love tuning out. And why do I have to be constantly unpacking and deconstructing and participating in this like intellectualization of all of it? Right, because it's all open now. Maybe back when they started there was excuse. So I'm going to say Um with trepidation, but I think that when it all started maybe, because I think they were providing something in quotes different, and they do. They did not fit the beauty standard at that time and they did create their own beauty stand and I think that maybe back then, Um, it was a bit more acceptable to like just enjoy their content and like maybe even make the point that they were doing something different and that was maybe making things better for women who didn't fit the beauty standard,...

...but then only the ones who fit their new and improved in quotes beauty standard. But I think that at this point, it has been like over a decade, I believe, of the Kardashians and we know and understand the harm that they've caused and I just don't believe there's any excuse to Um, there's no excuse for like there's no excuse not to know. Yeah, and I just think it's like the harm that caused outweighs the benefit any of us. And I don't think that they've attempted to improve at all, like thematic elements exactly like we're. They're just releasing fucking shape where still they're doing the same. There's no but there's no, there's no at no point. I don't think I've any of them been like this. I'm gonna reflect. No, there's nothing. No money talks, but I guess it's like, I don't know, I don't know what to do with it, because how do you how do you stop these people? They're on stoppable at the moment, and that's why I don't even try, to be quite honest, that's why I don't talk about them. I could have plenty to say, but I just I don't know. I just don't think there's anything that I could say that could make people reevaluate because they've had plenty of opportunities to already, and I think that's probably one of the reasons that they do get a past, because they're too powerful. Yeah, it's just disappointing because I don't expect everyone to be as radical as we are. I don't actually expect. I don't expect for people to meet us even in the middle, to be honest, I just expect at least in the acknowledgement, yeah, from someone like they might expect even like some sort of admission that they understand what they've done, but we're never going to get that. I don't know what goes on in their brains. The dollar sides. My money, don't show. If you didn't find us a completely insufferable come back next Wednesday for a new episode. You...

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