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69. The issues nobody talks about

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Hello, I'm Christ and Parison Otto and I'm had a Ferguson and where co founders at Cheek Media Go. This is the weekly Cheek podcast, but we don't talk about enough is the fact that now women are expected to work full time and and do it all. No discussion on men's oppression equals feminism not taken seriously by all. Before we set the POD, I would like to acknowledge that we are on unseated lands of the Yago and two of our people and I would like to acknowledge their elders, past, present and managing all right, welcome back to the weekly cheat. Welcome. So we put up a bunch of questions because I think that I was like I find that sometimes the question I don't think there's going to get a lot of bites does. The question I thought had some really interesting responses was do you have an opinion you feel no one else is talking about, and I think this is the money shot right. I think this is where some things around like interesting, because it's not that I've not thought this, it's that we don't talk about that often. I like this first one. All my girlfriends doing all the housework for their boyfriends I mean, I talk about that all the time. I know we do it like a lot on the mental load and things like that, but I think that's different. Right. I think that it might be surprising lack of conversations we're having when we see our friends and loved ones in those relationships and in those power dynamics and how that actually works. Yeah, and I feel this might be controversial, and I'm not saying it's everyone by my lamb disclaimer. Yeah, but something that I notice, and I don't have a lot of friends that are married or with children because I'm twenty three, but shout out blacks. I'm yeah, not to Bray, but I feel that I noticed that when I'm you know, my friends are moving in with their partners. I feel like more and more sometimes people fall into the habits, yeah, and the traditional roles, and I'm not saying everyone does, Holy Shit, but I feel like everyone has a couple of friends where, you know, they were quite feminist and progressive and then as they've gotten further in their career, or as I've gotten to more towards the age of one to have children and settled down, I feel like you see a shift with a few people interest to the right, and maybe it's not to the ride, but it's to that more household to messaging. Yeah, those those tropes as traits. Not Everyone, but I think it's a surprising amount for me. Interesting. I feel like I've talked about it all the time. So to this person, get you friend, I getting. I was going to say my friends with us and then I thought you'd hate that. Every sinners that I hate new friends. That was a joke as well. That was a Christ doesn't hate people, she just doesn't like the effort and energy require. I don't cultivate a relationship. I'm happy to publicly say that I hate the general public. And we're not saying I hate people. I don't mean like like. I really like the people I like, but just in general anyways. Is and I don't think that. But no, I think it is. I don't think ow you. I don't think you hate people. I think that it it. Know, hang on, I'm not a kind of gas like me. You are fucking new it. I get...

...it. I hate myself, but I think we're talking about like people who follow us on the whole. They other kind of people like you. That's the thing. But I think it's more a lot of the time that like, you don't really want to spend that much time with others generally. No, I've so you're like I like to have sort of heightened, intense few friendships rather than a lot of friendships that you can't live up to the way that you want to. And that's a very fair expectation. And also that is reflective of my opinion on this, because I have my like, a handful of close people in my life who, if I see them doing, like if I see a woman in a straight relationship doing a lot of the House, I've F'm just like, what the fuck's up with that? Yes, yes, you are. Yeah, also, my mum talked about it a lot growing up, so I feel like I it's been something that was in my head for a long time. I mean I think that what I witnessed was my mom was working full time and doing the majority of housework and domestic work and raising the children. So like what I witnessed was like how what we've what a lot of feminism has been, has not actually a leave over those precious of women, but just increase them by asking us to work as well. Yeah, and that's obviously a really complicated discussion to be having, but I think it is important. Like I think that what we don't talk about enough is that, and I think it's not a non existent conversation, but we don't talk about enough, is the fact that now women are expected to work full time and and do it all, as opposed to like, you know, in the s and Sixes, when when you weren't allowed to work but you expected to had with the kids. Yeah, now you're just doing double. Yeah, for what? Because we're equal rights, and it's like, let's look at that and examin those truckers, because I think that we're building up women but not also changing US expectations for men, that maybe they should stay at home or maybe an opening up the options. So that's a good point. I don't think it's equally like I think Brialley said something to this effect on a q Anda episode once about like maternity leaving. Volvabla is that we won't really have gender quality until it threatens it employer equally that a man might take parental leave as it does that a woman. Like there's there's not that parody, though, hmm, and that's maybe a key difference. Yeah, is it it still expected that the wom more take more maternity leave, parental leave. I'm saying maternality. We should be sports corporental ly. Yeah, and it depends on the industry. Yeah, but that's a point to be made. Interesting. I think we should all talk about it more. Let's do it. Let's do it. Problems solved. Next, HMM, the Auntie the pill movement is missing the voice of those who don't have the option, example, Endo. Interesting. I've never been affected by this. No, neither only so it hasn't been something I've ever thought about, which is why we ask these questions. I think that I'm so I'm going to make it a like a parallel based on like a different issue, because I think we so we're all on board this, like anti fast fashion, but I think that a lot of the piece that's missing out of that conversation is that for a lot of people, that's what's accessible to them. Yes, because a lot of brands, I. Not size inclusive,...

...they're not budget friendly, they're not always available where you live. Some people can't buy close online, like me, because I don't know, they're never going to fucking fit me. So I guess it is a similar type of conundrum because I do actually fit in my probably I'm going to cancel myself. There have been times when people have said they're on the pill and I'm like God, you gotta get off the pill. No, well, I'm on the pillar. I feel that way. Yeah, but even like I went to my doctor and she was like, well, I don't really care what you choose, just don't be at the pill. Really, she was like here's the folder, MMM, here's everything. You can just, you know, read it all, come back to me with what you think is the best option. We can have a discussion. I just think the pills wrong. Okay, did you say wrong in general? Wrong for you? Well, I don't remember, but my understanding was like let's just not go the pill. Yeah, but I think it's because I've been on it for years. It's not really like I think originally it was a skin issue as well. It doesn't really do that, but that well for me for that reason. Yeah, and I like it just doesn't and I basically went to her saying I'd like to get off it. So it was in conversation of like let's change. She didn't instigate it, but it was an acknowledgement that that's not great. The other thing is, and I'm really sorry, moving away from like the end of issue. I just don't know anything, but I don't want to make any understand because if it's missing that voice, why would we exactly list what I think? So with no ender. The other thing is the other options are quite intrusive, like the never ring. Like, sorry, but I just don't trust that. What is that? Sorry, it's like a little ring that you put into your service and you have to like, you keep it in full three weeks, then you take it out for one week, okay, and I just think that that requires a lot for a person to keep up with, like and more intricate than the pill. And the injunction that you can get is every three months, and that's a bit much for me too, exactly. And also a lot of people have problems with the injection statistically speaking. Then there's the bar. That's the one that I wanted. Yes, but then not freak you out. I'll go on. But there are there's a significant percentage of the population where your body rejects and it just pushes, it just POPs out. Yeah, well, there's a lot of discussion as well, where. You know, for some people you don't get a period for like years and then for others you are bleeding all the time, like some people's body just does not respond to the bar. But I, personally, I'm not comfortable with an ID. Yeah, and that's that's the third option. I'm also not comfortable with nothing. It really hurts to go in, to be honest, like it's just it was just one one day for like five years. But but look and and this is unfortunate, and I know it's effective and it's localized, that there's like less hormones and Blubbla, Blah Blah. I get it. They get it together, they get it. I have heard too many stories about it being lost. Oh my God, going to be surge. I've got, I mean one of my close friends. I don't know if she'd be comfortable with me saying this, might have to cut an Alaska, but she had to go and into surgery at the end of last year because they'd completely lost it and they had to go and retrieve it. Oh my God, have you seen that picture of the baby that was born with an ID in its hand? Is that true? Is that real? It's real. I looked it up many times. It was just holding its fist. I mean...

...it is effect right inside this awful it is. But the thing about the bar and the IUD is that, if so, if you have a if you're like start taking the pill and you're like cool, and then after a week you're like, Oh my God, no, I can't do this. You just stopped taking the pill. If you have got something inside of your body you need, you can't just be like, oh well, I'll just take it, like you can't just rip it out of yourself. No, I mean the pill is not great for me, like I it's not great for a lot of people. Know. I mean in terms of mood swings, depressed, attended like get the press, tendencies, all these sorts of things. That's just not ideal. But I think that they're also is another one that my doctor was telling me about, which I thought, well, fascinating. It's called the mini pill. Yes, and there's also the mini IUD. Now it's a bit smaller. Is that the one? It's called Kylina, or is the YEP, and so the meaning a little. It's you still have to Dili or so it's not one in that much smaller. Yeah, it second inside you. Yeah, the mini pill, which is new, is one hormone only. So it's not like normal pills, are two hormones. It takes out the estrogen. Yeah, just progestion the wow, I'm surprised. I which we know about this? To be honest, it's a bit fuck. Yeah, really, we've just learned this because we've had to. Yes, so mini pill takes away that's that secondary hormone. So it's less side effects. But the window for accuracy, right, if you is accuracy the word. Yeah, normal pill, you got a twelve our window before starts to seriously lose its effectiveness. Many pill three hours. That's crazy. It is crazy and for some people that's not doable. Me, I like, I used to take my pill on the minute, but I'm a very ready. You Two fucked. I had a well, had an alarm on it my oh, yes, same. I would just look at the alarm every day and go there. It is. Okay, that's I've got to tell you something. I'm going to tell our listener, something chaotic. Is this what I know? Yeah, I'm not sure if we've talked about this in pobblefore. Probably so. Christen, doesn't you up just got upset, did Oh, did we? Oh, it's not of sending to me when I take control back. Um, I don't. You know the pill pack. I don't do money to Friday. I just get up and I look at the pack. My pick anywhere? Not Either. The other day that I was gonna send your foot of the would really bother you. I wasn't even taking them in the line order on the wrong days. I started just pressing them out from anywhere. Whenever you say the things have I want to fight you from cheek fire, fucking contract. Where's my enterprise agreement, bitch? have to Catherine and I would have to, UN I forget her on board. To get Catherine wouldn't anyway. fucking fine, we try. Why don't you do it? Who? I do your memes twice a week. So true, okay, yeah, you get one more chance, but the way that I think, the way that I found out, is you just pulled this packet out of your bag, out of like your it was like a Min coode tight pouch. Yeah, and then I saw...

...that you had, like you think, you pressed one out or anyway, it was clear to me visually that you had not followed the days and I was like, and he was acting normally. Is Me, what the fuck are you doing? You are I'm hidden. Well, I'll say something else. I mean I think you thought this was funny in them one hinge, but was pretty unhinged to me the other. So I'm recently moved house and I just got one of my hand base out of the cupboard when, like the first day back at work after I'd moved house and I was walking to work and I went got a coffee and when I was like leaning down to my tap my card to pay for the coffee, something fell out of my bag and onto the counter in front of the the person that seven down. Yeah, like in front of them. Okay, space up. Okay. It was a disc. What's the DVD of twilight and the pictures like all of like the columns like stacked and then just like twilight and the tast and it was a DVD. Yeah, not a blue ring, and it wasn't the case. It was just the disc. That's the most on hinge. That to me, that such thing. So I at some point I've been packing and I'm just fucking flung this DVD and you know what, I thought, embarrassed by the fact that they know I watched twilight and that's just bi monthly. I watched twilight once before, a fortnight. It's just a weird thing to happen. It's the fact that this barrister is like this woman has raw dogged a disc into her handbag and now she's going to work. And also, no one uses DVD. No, that's exactly my point. Like it's more embarrassing that they think I watched on a dvdy and it's not like all my favorites on Netflix. Actually, it's just resially be taken off Netflix. I don't know why they've done that. Rude anyway, back to it. Back to it, okay. Pro Masks lockdown people are just as impractical and triggered as the convoy protest. Oh my God, I can't be this person follows us. Can you say it again? Pro Mask lockdown people are just as impractical and triggered as the convoy protest. That is so fucking spicy. But also I can't buy this person follows us and and said this is one of those things. I'm like, gave it to yourself. I don't think impractical is correct. I don't think a practical no, but it's not impractical to wear masks. Sorry, I think that when you say triggered, I think that I get upset. Just problem. I mean I don't think that triggered. Using the word triggered is just being inflammatory, but in terms of okay, this is how I see it. Every time a conservative, I know that all the anti lockdown. That's I'm not conservatives, blah, blah, any time the conservative has an opinion, and then the left is just like, Oh my God, why have you tadness? They're just like all lefties are so easily triggered. But for me, I don't see that as an attack. I'm like, Oh, sorry for caring about human rights and like the safety of our older generation and immuno compromised. Like I think us in the word trigger is just like fuck off, yeah, because I think that it's making it's actually just about like being passionate about or like thinking that it's an important call. Is I don't think they're wrong. I think...

...they're using inflammatory language on purpose to trigger us, but I don't think they're wrong, but I am happy to own it. I think they're wrong because I actually impactical. For me, it's like the difference in value judgment, because I think that when we think about these like convoy people, the way they react, their assumptions and the and the value they place it behind are incorrect. So when they say like freedom, freedom, freedom, freedom, like clapping around, I'm like, do you really believe that your freedoms have been taken away? Like, yes, you're your you've been limited in terms of the practical health rules that we've had to abide by, but the safety of others. Right, I don't think that inconvenience is oppression and I don't think it's a breach of your personal freedoms. I think I agree with everything is saying. Right. So I think that when we think about that, like the way that they behave in relation to the view they're trying to put forth doesn't equal like when we get angry that someone is it wearing a mask or isn't vaccinated, it's because we're worried for the implications of that on the vulnerable. Yeah, so I think that, whilst we may Ark up to the same extent that these people do, I don't agree that we do that. We do, but I understand that this person is trying to say, like, I think that both sides are just rising to the same level, but they're just opposing right. Yeah, that's the way I see that. That statement, which I get, not necessarily untrue because you've got people on both sides that reacting to the same extent. But I think on the whole, the ninety five percent of people who pro lockdown, pro mask do not represent the the extensive and like off chops view the five percent. Do I think that in that portion of people they're way more aggressive? Yes, but okay, if you're and I think what's extracpolating it a bit, because for me I'm kind of like, what are you saying behind all of this language? If you're talking about like I think that I would match the passion of an anti lockdown convoy goer. If are we two, I pro Ma, pro lockdown, pro general public health stands. I think I could match their level of I don't know what if you want to call a passion aggression. Yeah, energy. I think I could match it easily. But then I think that the wooden practical is wrong because I think I agree what they're doing is impractical. Is Impractical. What we're doing is like putting on a face covering, maybe working from home. Maybe doing these things to protect others. I think that that's not that difficult. I don't think that's impractical. I think it's actually been quite effective with our movements to protect others. Yeah, I think they're just using the word in practical to is, yeah, as an inflammatory word, which they are entitled to do. Oh, this one's really interesting. HMM. Skincare routines have ags ideologies. It should be the new frontier of feminist advocacy. Agree wholeheartedly. Fuck, are routine mark anti aging products. Yeah, but like putting on Suncream, moisturizing. She's skin cavery t talking about that. Oh, okay, well, I write it...

...that way. I do think. Can you get it again? I'm going to understand like. I think depends on your perception. No, you're right, skincare routines have ages ideologies. It should be the new frontier of feminist advocacy, but I think it's different in the way, like the products, the price, the extent. But I think fresh it. It's like a bit's like a pole movement skincare routines. It's like a whole thing. I mean I think the whole like men put foot cream on their face look great, and then we are I am, I using ten products and I'm like, Oh my God, my fucking acne scars from ten years ago won't go away. I think when I like, definitely the skincare industry, but I think, like I think I thought took it as what what this person was talking about is like the idea of this skincare routine. Oh, and I totally agree. I think the one we see makeup people who are influences, yes, who are like making tick tocks, and we see these product shove down our throats. Especially for older women, I find that it's everything's anti aging. Yeah, I like, like, I mean, I'm not really I'm not really good at stink. The other day I was thinking about how, like, I've never been good at makeup, but when you say something like that, it's like a not like other girls thing, and I'm like, I've always felt like I'm a fucking loser that I haven't had it a makeup like I love how a lot of like Tom Boys back in the day it was like really cool to not know how to do that sort of stuff because, you know, they were just like this femininey. Yeah, and me not wanting, not being good at I shadow and island, like I'm not like other girls. Yeah, but always for years I've been like, I'm stupid bitch. It's been like why did I know how to use the scar a properly? And I've always fucking hated myself for I want to be like other girls. I want to be that girl, all right, want to be that. I wish I was like other girl. I haven't been. I haven't had a good diet, I haven't eaten well, I haven't taken care of my skin. Like I didn't know what to do. I Literally Bought Zoe Foster Blake's amazing of facebook and I was reading it and it was like what skin care type of you? And I was like, oh no, no, I say that's a myth. By the way, it skin time. Yeah, well, I think I'm just sensitive, like, I mean in my heart and in my face. But like, I went out and bought go to. I spent a lot of money on that. Actually fanned out. The ordinary is a lot cheaper, a lot better, thanks to you, my queen, who said do ask him online test. I did and I got four products and they cost ten dollars each. So cheap price line. My has it too. Yeah, changed my life. Honestly, the easiest thing and I'm like, I'm I'm someone that's knowing anything else more than three steps on my card. Do it. Yeah, but if we're talking about like the skin care routine in like the eat girl, tick tock influenza sense, totally. Yeah, there's a lot of problems with the industry in the way that we talked about our faces. Yes, but to me I'm like, well, you know, I was putting vasoline on my face. I'm just kidding us, putting Setaphil. I think that okay, good. I was putting vastly, not actual vasseling, like the cream they have. That's not for your face. No, they have face creams.

I thought you meant the big one in a huge tub. Oh my God, I do mean that one that doesn't say face cream on it is I'm being problematic now, cancel me. Isn't a body cream? Okay, for your face? No, queen my God, it's too heavy. But maybe that's just a scam that I've been no, I get it. I would never put body cream on. I didn't put it like before I went to work on any think it was more like if I went through the pool or I was a bit like dry, I'd put it on quickly. I mean, I think that there are worse crimes you could commit, but this is what I mean. Because you have sensitive skin, probably not good. Anyway. I'm not I'm not Collo had to give any of this advice. Okay, I did work in pharmacy. Actually, I am semi Cli remember someone came into my house once and they pointed at the large tub and they were like do you use that? And I was like, Oh my God, this is hum really. Am talking about a tub? No, Palm, yeah, the big pump. Yes, yeah, I wouldn't put that on your face. Well, I don't anymore because it's got a lot of scent, like for me personally, and like a lot of research that I've read, sense and things like that. Heavy sense, like you should put on your face because the perfumes can interest irritate your skin. Oh and if you have set your skin, then that is not good. Oh God, I'm gonna get kids. Well, I think I'm going to get canceled. I'm like the three and what seven in one fucking shower Mann got. I hate it there. It is embarrassing. Okay, someone said inch. I think this is interesting because a lot of people would be watching this at the moment. Euphoria glamorizes drug use and dangerous behavior to impressionable high schoolers. I don't think that's necessarily wrong. I mean, my sixteen year old sister watches it. I usually ring her to talk about the episode every week and I do think that it makes all these behaviors cool. But I actually think it's doing more good than harm. Okay, I think that it's inclusive. I think that it shows toxic behavior in relationships and points out what it is and ask questions about what is like love bombing valuable. Yeah, and I think that's while things sarcastic, while it doesn't say that's toxic, you know, and it's very clear who's evil who's not, like it's one of those shows what's trying to trick you into thinking they're a good person or not. You know their behaviors fucked and it shows you the timeline leading up to those significant moments and I think it does want to talk about bad relationships and bad drug use and what it actually can do to your body. So I don't think it's I don't think it's in the first season glamorizing second season? Not? That's my pot take. I wonder if that's something that they did on purpose. In the second season, will they do really interesting things? Because they're all like thirt year old actors, so it's a bit weird. But mean all that, I guess all teen shows are like that, but, for example, they are. They don't use foundation on any of the actors except really then in I think they have gradually started on like two characters and that's supposed to be quite a statement, and then sometimes they have like nails on characters are not and it's kind of like a it. They use makeup and things as a telltale sign of that character's arc. Yeah, so I think that's quite interesting because I think they do look like more like teenagers and they don't have foundational yeah, but I have other makeup, like I shut the stuff. But it's like you can tell their skins, their skin for a lot of them. Also, do you have one? One? What one of the Oh, I take, yeah, take, I was like skin. I've a idea. So I have a take. Go on. I'm...

...just scared about this. Actually I'm excited now. Oh God, I'm gonna react in real time. I don't think you'll be exposed to this that much. So, after many, many months of hard work, I'm finally on Lgbtqia, Tick Tock. So I am by by the way. That's important to know, because otherwise I'll be canceled. Iwise okay, definitely try to get into an area of Dick took. I was invited to. That's so straight person. I don't want that's like that sound. It's like I've Rollo with the LGBATICS. I'm on gates. But this like separation of like women who date other women. That a separation is distinction between like masks and Fens, like women who date, sorry, women who date. Talking about women who date women. So like Queer Women, Lesbian Women, by women, pain women, but like the separation of like Oh, feens. It's like a lot of videos are like offense this, this one's for you, or like a mask, women who like other mask women. See. So you don't like the distinction because, well, I think it's just a bit. It's tough because I know that we've used I despise the word feminine. I've had a problem with it like forever, but I know that a lot of people use to term like famine mask as like a way to like move outside the binary because it's like them doesn't mean women and mass doesn't mean men. It's like a way to like move around the binary, but in my opinion it's actually just very binary. Yeah, and I don't and I don't mean it in I think it's a tricky one because I totally respect people who find the terms empowering. I'm so sorry, it's I and like good for you if you find it those terms empowering, but I think that, and I don't have any obviously, no, it's like my opinion on that and I'm not going to give it. But I think using the terms to like make these like distinctions is a to me. is a bit like when someone goes up to the GAY l the gay couple and it's like who's the man? I get what you're saying. I just think it's a bit like, I mean, I'm not reductive. I don't think anyone cares about my opinion. Is a strait who likes man. I got what you're saying. I think that, I think for a lot of people, is empowering. Well, I think it's different, like it's different using it as a label of for yourself is different to like in categorizing it in relationships. Yeah, I just think it's a bit strange. It's not so much about that. I just got to want to disclose that I despise the term feminine. So that's like a quantify I have. I'm sensitive to it, but I just think that, yeah, like this like mask FEM thing. I particularly see it in lesbian relationships, like on Lesbian ticktock. I just think it's quite reductive and it's very like it's a I find it to be a little bit heteronormative.

I have one. It might not be ill. Might explain it to you. It's okay, because it's about you forria and it's about you. I was like, Oh, okay, it was gonna explain to you because it's about you. I keep saying if you watch you for your you'll get this. If you don't, sorry, but I will explain it to you and I will spoil some things, probably if you're going to watch it. So just warning. There is so many tweets and tick tocks and things currently about Jacob Lordi's character, Nate Jacobs, who is evil, right, okay, and sexy, and people are saying he's. So essentially, his character is in a relationship, has been in relationship with women, right, but he is clearly shows interest and has been. There's a whole saga about jewels, who is a transwoman, m right, all these people, and he clearly wants jewels over these other women. There's a clear thread to show. All these people on twitter keep saying that he's gay. That is fucked up, right. There's all these people that are like, nate, cut it out, your gay. That's really fucked up. And then I've seen only one person online say this is problematic and other people said, oh, he's by and I said well, no, no, because she's a woman. But here's the thing. His character talks to jewels on a gay dating APP, unless there's referring to him being gay because he's on the APP and they're in singing that he's in talking to men. Not Do. Here's the other thing. There's an element where I still think it's problematic regardless of this, because there are like there's also an element of the show where there's pictures of penises on his phone. Okay, but my point still is him being interested in a Trans Woman and dating women does not you cannot in any way say he's gay. Gener what else? That is bio Rasuer, it is. But if he's by that's the thing. But it's like he like he's not actually showing throughout. So he is actually showed interest in a man presenting as a man. Right, he just has the Dick Picks. No, I mean yes, that that's the thing. There's never been. That's really fucked up. So he isn't your furious you, for you're supposed to be like beyond, like the binary, and that's straight. That's exactly why this conversation is come up, because they never say it right. So all these characters we got with each other and you don't actually talk about bit like there's no they don't label anything and they should watch. That's like that's the sheer part of the point is that they're not putting late like no one's coming out and saying, you know what they what their sexual orientation is. Right. So that's that's the thing for me is I'm like, why do we also feel it into common, because isn't that the fucking point? Now that those people are canceled, they are canceled, but they're also like a disturbing it is, but it's just durving to me because I'm like, the show is doing a...

...really good job of of making this so normal, because no one's talk like, no one's feeling the need to discuss who they do or don't like. It's just like, oh, they're hooking up now, okay, but that just it. That makes me even more mad when people try to like derail that. Yeah, because it was not and I haven't seen a Yophoria, so I'm making an UN educated statement, but I think, like it is really important that we're seeing like a rise particularly in popularity these kinds of shows that are like being a lot more diverse. Yeah, and then when I see like people just like peeking at it and like making just bothers me so much. I like we need these kinds of shows because everything is so fucking but straight. And why? I think the thing that bothers me about it also is like that means that all these people are focusing on is the genitalia. Yeah, and that is like the opposite of the entire conversation. Yeah, it's what you yourself identify as gender expression, gender identity. Like, I don't like, what the fuck when people are tweeting the seems. I'm like, have you thought about this at all? Probably not. Okay, it's a final one. Okay, this one. No discussion on men's oppression equals feminism not taken seriously by all. I'm not going to react as hard as you do to this. I know it. What is men's oppression? Please hang on. Not to be the bearer of bad news, but it's not all happening. To only ask, because I think it's kind of like usually, I fucking hate have any discussion because I'm like, yeah, okay, who's a perpetrated by men also? So we're still fighting the same fight. But I think it's kind of like one of my favorite feminists, lose plank, follow her. It's feminist abulance or something. I do understand. How are reason, name was her book is for the love of men, and it talks about how the Patriarchy hurts men. I think. Think I'm not oppressed. No, they're not oppressed. Well, actually, I would argue they might be. Men are pressed. They have the power. They have the power, but they also like that power has been used and wielded to hurt them to that's an oppression. Some men are oppressed gay men are oppressed. I think the issue is we can't blanket that men aren't oppressed. I mean, okay, I think that. All right, this is my take as a white woman. I think that I personally would say men are not oppressed, because men in certain groups who are in oppressed groups, are oppressed because of that part of their identity, not because they're men. I see which men of color obviously are oppressed because they're like that's a that's a weird blanket segment today are what they're in oppressed. White Women? Yeah, White Women Oppressed. I still think women as a group part in a press group, but I don't think white women are. I think that we're definitely not, nowhere near as oppressed is all the other women. I think it's hard to blanket statement any of this. I think it's because there's still like the oppressed or which is the white man? Yeah, here's the thing. Everyone else are pretty much oppressed. I don't like the use of the word...

...oppressed. I think that if we say men are affected, yeah, men are impacted. Men are men suffer at the hands of the patriarchy. They're not oppressed. Do you know what else, though? Yes, men are impacted by the patriarchy, but a lot of the plate that, a lot of the ways that they are impacted by the Patriarchy that we talk about is when they become perpetrators. And guess WHO's even more affected? The fucking women that they attack in cells. Like do you mean like that? When men feel like oppressed by or even just any like, like, because a lot of people are. Stuff have started to talk about in recent years, the fact that the patriarchy affects men because they're told to oppress their feelings and anger as uni emotion you're allowed, and women are there to be subservient. Blah, blah, blah, Blah Blah. Yes, they are. They are being victimized by the patriarchy, but the group that are being even more victimized, are those the victims of those men? Yes, so, it just I find it difficult to be like, well, they're not fucking oppressed, like, sorry, and attacker. I know, yeah, I mean I've Ben Trys. Not Oppressed. I just think this is a very particular angle for a blanket statement. That's the thing. I yet on the whole, that men are affected, their impacted, but I don't think they're oppressed. Agree and I think the different groups are. I think that some groups of men might be oppressed. But see, to have to have people who oppressed up, who are oppressed. You need an oppress or if men are oppressed, who with? WHO's the oppressor? Man? This that the all. You can't be both. You can't be the oppressed and the oppressed. But this is the thing we're looking at from a way to broad scale. We're looking at it from men. You're oppressing yourself. It doesn't work like that. You kind of press yourself. White too, men are oppressing others. Yeah, of course, white men are oppressing literally most people. Yeah, great work. They are so rude. It's like oppress yourselves and move on with your life. Like in one of both Burnhams songs, he's like we used to have all the money and land, and we still do, but it's not as fun now. That's like one of the lines. Is like they still have it, but they feel like it's, yeah, being threshned. Yeah, well, that was a spicy one, but it's about it is hard to say, it's it's hard to make like a statements, but men are not appressed. I just think that we can't just be like Bam. I think it's one of those things that it's like a bit wishywashy. You can't sort of just yeah, and I'm I know. So I'm not going to talk about that. Kay and Pod, if you didn't find us a completely insufferable come back next Wednesday for a new episode. Could also find us on instagram at cheek media co or online cheek Mediacom. Do Date you? Yes, that Thela. That's the one.

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