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46. Grace Tame will not be silenced by the Murdoch media

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In this episode, we discuss the recent critiques of Australian of the Year Grace Tame, which included a scathing article in The Australian this week. Rather than applying sound critiques, the journalist of the piece used condescending language and belittlement in an attempt to bully Tame into silence.

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Hello, I'm Christen Parison Otto and I'm hard a focus and and we're co founders of Cheek mediac this is the weekly Cheek podcast. If anyone knows a man of stroke of the Assistant Minister for women, first of all, sorry. Please approaches with an open mind and let me know your thoughts, and it's like absolutely, go and fuck yourself. He is. So like, just a quick note before we begin the episode. We are talking about grace team and we will touch a little bit on the abuse and violence that she experience. We don't go into any details, but if that is an issue that you are sensitive to, you might like to skip this episode and tune back in next week. Welcome back to the weekly Cheek podcast. Welcome. This is something weird with my hands. If you're watching on Youtube, you would have seen it. Okay, so today's episode was we just decided that we're going to do it lying on the floor. Yeah, we were lying on the tiles. It's very hot in Brisbane at the moments, about thirty degrees, and we were like going to put on something else, and then we engaged in the discussion that's currently happening around an article that was featured in the weekend. Australian. Yep, about grace team. Yes, WHO's the writer? This is the problem. Janette or Brixton or Brixon? She's like a known like far R I don't know her. Yeah, we don't know many people. We know of them. We're not really that common in the generals in space. So I know we've mentioned this person before on the podcast and my disdain, my distaste, my dislike for this person. We hate him. Peter van on Solon or PBO HE VO. You can follow on twitter, but I wouldn't recommend it because you'll be deeply unhappy. He is a presenter on the project and he basically he used to be, HMM, probably known as like a fairly genuine centrists and like, like fairly credible as a journalist who was like pretty fair like. I don't think prior to the port allegations, which you'll get to a second. Prior to that he you probably couldn't necessarily accuse him of being in one camp with the other camp. However, he was a good friend of Porter yes, and allowed that to seep into his journalism. Yeah, and he'll deny that, but I think it's psych under I think it's undeniable that they're every time that comes up. His phrasing, his argument, his entire sort of approach is really poor, I feel. Yes, so we actually came across this tweet independently. I saw it yesterday and it's something that he's tweeted. It's an Australian article, Divisive Tame Surrenders to dirty politics, of course, referring to Grace Tame, and he has captioned the tweet with I don't agree with all of it, but this is an excellent thought provoking peace. Please don't comment if you don't read up but just look at the headline or don't like the author or mast head interested in replies from those who do read it with an open mind.

I find that condescending to start with, very and also this is something that bothers me about him, and I'm being really careful not to be a defamatory, but all of his tweets since the porter stuff has gone he was like port is, a mate like porter introduced him to his partner and he thought that going on insiders, that, you know, reporting on the Mat at the press conferences and things and just being really engaged and declaring that was just like well, I've declared it. Yeah, the approach is very much I will obviously we're friends. So, blah, blah. I'm like, that's literally where the sentence should stop, exactly. Anyway. And he was, he actually was like so I watched the porter press conference, the famous porter press conference, live on channel ten the street, like the street channel ten, stream on Youtube, and he was like hosting it with the cohost and first of all he did not let her speak at all. He kept interrupting her, but he basically commendeered that to talk about how porter is his friend. And it was like at a certain point it moves from being like you declaring like this conflict and you just like then just like bragging. It was just weird, like monolog yeah, I don't even feel that it was a declaration. It was just like, Oh, this is now my platform. Took about my friendship with Christian Porter. fucking weird. It was just very strange. Anyway. So after that he has started a new approach on twitter. First of all, he's like veryly, he's like limited all of his tweets, you know, a low to retweet him maybe, unless he follows you. Like I've got like the retweet is blacked out and he has started doing this thing where he will post like politically conservative articles or ideas. He is also a columnist for the Australian. Yes, exactly, and he'll post them and he'll be like, HMM, interesting, what are your thoughts? Yes, and it's just like just a fucking say it, like clearly, we know what you're thinking. Rightly, because they're not like a little balancing argument. It is literally a far right view. And then he's just like going, HMM, please approaches with an open mind and let me know your thoughts, and it's like absolutely, go and fuck yourself. Yes, exactly, I find. Okay, before we get into this article on what it contains, obviously let's approach with the view that it is extremely critical and, I find extually patronizing of grace team, the current Australian of the year for this year. But the comments of this article that PVO has like facilitated with this conversation and his responses are truly, in the truest sense, pathetic. Yeah, please read them aloud for fun. Okay, so this is one that someone has said. Read it based on false premises. There is nothing nonpartisan about systems of power that permitted the sexual abuse that Grace Tame experienced. PVO has responded Interesting Perspective of Oh my God, crickets another one. Yes, grace team is increasingly partisan in her views and while I agree that some of that is not ideal for Australian of the year, I also think much...

...of it has been necessary. That Morriston government's poor handling of numerous women's issues this year's obvious and it is right that she calls them out. PVO has responded. That's not unfair, you see, like he my just like I have an opinion like literally, that's not unfair. Yeah, so that's fair. Exactly reason I think he is like. That in itself is painful to me. Yeah, and I'm not trying to critique his wording. I think the wording is purposeful. That's my problem. Yeah, he's a professional journalist. Yeah, and I'll just read one more. It is worth remembering that grace team sees life through a life experience that you may not understand. Crazy concept. I added that bit. She speaks for many of us who have been gas lit by those with power. This article is an example of labeling what you don't agree with to lesson it's worth. PVO has responded. I can see that perspective. I guess. I'm just saying that if she's losing me, I'm not sure she'll hold the main stream because the mainstream are a long way from where I am, in a different direction. There is so much stuff that's fucked up about that comment. But why would he? Why would he be a reflection on the mainstream if you so far away from it? For starters, great question and Queen, but that doesn't make sense. No, it doesn't, doesn't at all. Right, second of all, I don't think his conservative views that are connected to someone who is involved in these allegations, in these like partisan comments from Tame Right. Of course she's losing him. Exactly. She is disagreeing with him. Yeah, and that is the point. And then he's trying to litch. I find that to be gas lighting. Yeah, because he's turned around and said he's turning around and saying her commentaries turning me off. So why wouldn't turn everyone else off and trying to manipulate her, HMM, into steering in a different direction or being quiet? I don't know what the aim of that is. Yeah, but frankly, I don't think he represents the views of the general public at all, and I don't think he has for at least sixty eight months now. Exactly that there is like a certain this is a certain brand of person who very, very, very deeply bothers me because I just think that he kind of just goes where he thinks the power is. Yeah, like, if you have an opinion, say it with your whole chest. If the fact that the comments, within like four comments, go from being about an attack on the Australian of the year, a woman who has survived like a sexual Predator who raped her like when she was fifteen years old and then spoke about it and she was, you know, gag from speaking about it. Let us speak campaign. That's why she's trying to be a blah, blah blah. The fact that, within four comments of an article that attacks her, can go to whether the allegations against porter a credible or not, like, go fuck yourself. That is such a fucking man thing. Oh my fuck, yeah, it is the again. The article is not anything about porter. He is mentioned in here, I believe, yes, but it is not about porter and what it is about so jess row, who is Jessica road. Jess row is a TV presenter, podcaster, journalist and her podcast is the Jess robig talk show. Now one great name, clever,...

...clever, a thought undergo. Hannah says to this video of Jess ro a clip from Jess rose podcast where she's got pulling Hanson on and she's asking pauline whether she's got any love in her life. Yes, and they're joking about, you know, pauline saying, Oh, you know, just my hot water bottle, Jazz Lola, and it's like this really friendly chat. Right. Yes, and I actually send a video to Hannah and I was like what, imagine getting Pauline Hanson on your podcast and then being like give up by friend. Exactly. And I think that the issue, and I think the issue that was presented by a lot of people. It's like what we're saying is no one can. We're not saying to people you can't interview Pauling Hanson. HMM. It's just that to get to feature on your podcast by your own volition someone who is racist, yeah, is abs and what is she and has built a platform on being has a build her platform and being a biggot in every sense of the word right and it's proud of it. Yeah, she doesn't back down, she hasn't apologize the fact that you've invited her on not to have a frank discussion about her views, but to say things like I was there love in your life, Pauline. To me, as a voter, as a woman, as a person, I just think I could never listen to that, and I think that it's I think that in doing it she thought that, like, if we were going to into you, Pauline Hanson, my only thought was is either got to be the most critical thing ever and it's also going to get a lot of listens. Yeah, like I couldn't shy away from the fact that I would be doing it because of the attention it would bring. Yeah, right, Yep, I can't help but think that's why she's done it. Yeah, because I don't think that she's actually friends with Pauline Hanson, or if she is, I really questioned why that is. She also openly said, and I don't know could because that podcast was taken down before I got to listen to taken down with him like three hours. Yeah, I was literally about to listen to it and when I when Hannah sent me to the post but it was gone. But she adjessed. Row has said as her defense. Oh, I said that I don't aligne with her politically, as if that's enough. HMM, it's not. It's not enough and I'm not saying that. Like, for example, if we had point Hanson on our podcast, I'm not saying that I would spend like thirty six minutes just absolutely like shouting at her and railing her and being like, why are you racist? Why are you this, why are you that? Like you don't have to. I just think if, like you said, I don't want to prepeat exactly, but if you have someone like that on your podcast as like a woman who, for in our case, are progressives, do not agree with her, then it is a responsibility to engage her in those discussions and actually have, like some get something productive out of it, not just be like te he, like pall enhance. It is famous for saying that, you know, women use domestic violence to get full custody of children, exactly, like she's someone...

...who is famous for wearing a burker into the Senate. Oh my God, every time I think of that it's get so angry. There is just so, so many things that, as a woman and as a progressive person, are unforgivable about what she has done and what she believes. Right. Yeah, and to have her on the podcast and talk about like social things and say, like I understand that her intention may have been like all, you know, like there's no need to be more divisive, like we can talk to humans as humans and then, and that's exactly what I think her point was. Yeah, and you know what, that's not that's not something I'm going to be like fuck you, like I get that as base level, but I do think as someone with a platform who claims to be like for women, Hmm, you cannot have pulling hands in your podcast. Is Irresponsible. I agree, and I think that in terms of that, like, you know, everyone deserves human decency, which I don't know, like if you me R thought. Yeah, but like I'm not saying it. If I saw pulling heads in the streets, like I'm not going to punch her in the face. Obviously, like I probably ignore her if I saw in the street, and I don't think she deserves necessarily for me to go and yell at her whenever she's in straight but to put her on a give her a like platform her and then give oxygen to someone who has been very, very hurtful to so many groups in Australia, a group of which jess mostly is not included. That's exactly what I mean exact. That's one of the main probles. Fairly easy for a someone I would say is an upper class white woman, based on, you know, mynerstanding of the salary that someone like she and Peter would earn. HMM, for her to say like, Oh, you know, to see the humanity and have this sort of perspective on like. You know, I'm allowed to enjoy Pauling Hanson. You are, but the thing is you're not an affected community, you don't an affected person by what she said. And how does it feel to someone who is affected that you've chosen that, set that up, recorded that, have a few laughs and asked about her love life? How does it feel to someone who has been deeply personally offended by her views? Exactly? There's not really coming back from that now. She hasn't offered any stance, any apology and the acknowledgement of the her she's caused. No if she had, there would be a different story. But it's the fact that she stands by her views so hard and is offensive to so many people who have in deeply traumatized by their experiences and then subsequently by her, and the fact that it's a little giggle. And you know, the fact that she slips the fucking hot water bottle isn't funny to me. No, it's not. And it's like she hasn't even apologized. She won't because she's not sorry. No, when you said about Apologie, I thought you were referring to jess first. So, and I will say Jes like has, in quotes, apologized, but it was not an apology like I don't want to go into you can you can assume what it was. You can look it up yourself, but essentially, one of the most prominent commenters on the instagram thread where the video is posted was Carlie Finlay, who is a person of color and who is disabled and who said basically what kind of the stuff that we've been saying now. Like you know, you have responsibility not to platform someone who has hurt lots of...

...groups. That was basically her her main point, and a lot of other people were commenting the same thing. I was looking at the comments as the post was deleted and put like overwhelmingly negative. There are a few people who were like love you, Jess Haha, which I just think is pathetic. Yes, offense intended. That is pathetic. Look at yourself. And then so grace tame, I think to this on twitter, because it wasn't on Instagram, but I think she tweeted it at Jess and basically said Jess Road tweeting that she's had pallen hands and, as a guest on Grace Tame says, this is how discrimination and hate is suddenly enabled and normalized. Everyone's entitled to their own views, but not all of you should be valorized by promoting their source. Pauline doesn't need help to be heard, but those who depression, she's both driven and reinforced, do. That's beautiful that. I was going to say. That's not like what we said. That was much more eloquence. She and this is the thing. She has such grace about what she does. Oh Fuck, I just realized her name, grace. Wow, it's like you're looking for a word. Oh my God, so embarrassing and I like to Queen. It was nice. So I mean, okay, she does. She deserves better than US coming to her defense. Sorry, grace. Sorry Grace, and this is something that so, once it was taken down, jess row put up an instagram story that was like something along the lives of thanks at Grace Tame for bringing this thing to my stuff, to my attention and I've taken down the episode. Yeah, to which I would say, and this is nothing to do with grace, but I do feel very uncomfortable with the fact that it took another white woman for and a prominent white woman exactly, for her to take down the episode, because I have, I've goose clumps on that right now because I feel very uncomfortable with it and also, like, again, this is nothing to do with Grace Tame, and I think it's I think it's good that people who are prominent, you know, speak up, speak up to enjoy these things happen exactly. But specifically again, Carlie Finlay was the top comment and there was so many responses to her comment and there's so many likes on it and there is no fucking way just row did not see it, and I just think it is interesting. That's it. That's a word that is I could use the most. You've a mystic I could be for you exactly that she wasn't even mentioned in jess rows so called apology. Like I just thought that was awful and I thought I was looking for I was waiting for the apology and I was waiting to see Carlie finlay tagged, because she's also a very prominent activist. It's not like, you know, she's a blue, she's got a blue tick, you know, it's like you fucking saw her comment. Anyway, outrage. Just so the article. Now I would just like to...

...let you all know that I have access to this article through work and I did not pay to see the Australian, but we want you to know what's in the article so you don't have to pay for the Australian. So Pvo, like in the tweet that I read earlier, he said only only interested in your responses if you have read the article and is behind a paywall, and I would just like to pose the questions. PUT It out there. Who Pays for the Australian? Very specific group of people, exactly conservatives, and he was only interested in the views of people who had read it. Anyway, so it has a lot of clicks to it currently has three point four million views online. So that's not including the paper version, which I assume it's in we which again I'm not buying. So I don't know for sure. She's undermined her position as Australian of the year by telling the country that the prime minister lacked a moral compass when he temporarily promoted porter, then still a minister of the crown, to acting leader of the house. Why is that undermining her position as Australian of the year? Why is a genuine critique of a credible allegation against a minister who was, at the timing, attorney general, who was demoted and then repromoted to a position as leader of the House of Representatives through a period of two weeks while Donton was out? Why is her saying that Morrison, in his promotion, which what, while it's not cleue that he directly facilitated that promotion, was definitely involved in decision making, because he is the prime and she just fucking country her say that that lacks a moral compass does not undermine her position as the Australian of the year like that just completely confuses me. As a Stralian of the year, they are not expected to not engage in political debate. I don't know if that's part of the fucking contract when you get it being awarded and chosen by a body who elects the Australian of the year and reward someone for their work and commitment to this country and the change they make, to turn around and say they've undermined their position, which is something she didn't fucking go please, please put me the straying of the year. She literally has campaign to remove Gagg laws that would allow her to call out the person who abused her as a child like that. Just that is totally fucked it's like this. This author, this journalist, is annoyed that an Australian of the year, someone who was given an award for excellent achievement, is not being like a propaganda machine for the government. Oh my God, I'm sweating. Okay, this is a particularly spicy sentence. It was a double barrel political attack that revealed more about a young and impressionable woman then about the prime minister or porter. That is so fucked up. The connotation I've got goose once again. The connotation like young and impressionable woman. Like to say that about someone who was...

...sexually abused as a child? Yes, someone who has literally risen from the ashes and made huge, huge waves in terms of legislative reform, who is honestly one of the most eloquent criticizers of the government. I get on fucking twitter every day for cheek and I'm like Fuck You, I'm grace time comes out and has the most beautifully written critiques of this government. Right, that are constructed carefully, that are constructed wisely, and I think hit the nail on the head every single time without fail. And while I might be biased, I think it is absolutely ridiculous. So that says more about her than about them. Yeah, the fact of the matter is I do not think that they would be saying these things about a man, a young man or an older woman. No, right, and I think the fact that they're saying it's more of a statement about her as a young and impressionable woman than two men in positions of power who are over the age of fifty actually says more about this fucking author. Yeah, one exactly. It is absolutely ridiculous. And young and impressionable woman who made significant legislative change. I don't think she's young and impressionable, neither do I think she's experienced. I think she's eloquent and I think she's considerate. It's just it's just a way to belittle her. Also, to be honest, for the first month or two she followed all the rules. After she became a strain of the year. Yeah, she was present, she made an excellent speeches, she was very much a figurehead in terms of the movement and she was a symbol and all these things. But the more that the government declined to make change based on the suggestions and the experiences of both tame and Higgins, the more that they both went well, what the fuck? You've publicly promised these things, which means I was I think they were not kept in line, but they were satisfied with the fact that they were promised and there was an intention that the government expressed to make change, with things like the respect at work report, blah, Blah Blah. And then Tame and Higgins have just held them to account for those failures, for those failures. How is that fallback on them? They have literally just executed their intentions by trying to follow up I'm so outraged. It is fucking outrageous and I don't know how ridiculous sign being, but I'm just like, you're not being ridiculous. I don't see this dialog like literally what they're what this article says to me is tame. You got your award, now sit down and shut up. Exactly, or because you got your award, sit down and shut up. So grace tweeted the article right and she said the cost of speaking truth to power. It's not me WHO's divisive, it's the federal government. By refusing to absolutely condemn sexual misconduct and abuse of power within its own ranks, they've tactfully left these issues in the gray zone of permissibility. The political motivation behind this is very clear. A disturbingly high number of sexual abuse and domestic violence survivors can only mean there is also a disturbingly high number of perpetrators in the community who vote. Wow. Wow. My instinct is not to criticize, it is to work with ever and in the spirit of inclusion, reparation and progress. However, as someone...

...whose purpose is to stand with, listen to and represent the oppressed, to not call out in justice would make me a hypocrite. fucking boom, boom. I love how I'd like read it beautifully, like try to like really apply this voice and turn it that I'm like, fucking boom, I'm grace. That's also what I love about her. She can write like that and express that sort of response. Yes, distinct critique of her character. Yeah, and then also go on between and be like, guess what's got that to make? I know, and all the quite in. Yeah, she is. I want to be a friend. Yeah, me too, grace, if you're listening please, and that is the kind of Australian of the year I want. That you want to be a friend, their friend. I just like respect them and honestly, I think that's truning of the year. Is a great award and I think it should hold the significance and I think the person chosen to be chosen by an independent body, free of partnersanship. Yeah, because I think that person should be allowed to speak up. I feel that this year, and this is not grace's fault, but I worried that moving forward there will be more of an effort made to pick someone who will not do what grace has done this year. Yeah, exactly, is a failure. Yeah, country, that we will do that. It's a it's a it's a reflection on this government. Okay, so I'm just going to if anyone knows a man of stroke of the Assistant Minister for women. First of all, sorry. Second of all, this will be particularly horrible. Tames attack on Stoker's promotion as Assistant Minister for women again was without enough consideration. Stoker is a defender of women's rights. You can look that up for yourself. She has a stellar career, is raising three children and is a testament to what a young woman can achieve. I don't I young white, straight, privileged Christian woman with ties to the right church for the prime minister. Absolutely go fuck yourself. That is a so Oh, oh my God. I when I first read that, I was like I that is so disgusted that I did. I screamed. I don't usually scream, but this was necessary. Like, how fucking dare you? And the inference here from this author, who is a woman, is that grace? TAME is like no good, because she's attacking another woman because she well, attack on strokers promotion. I guess I'm I'm sure and I'm not sure about it. How exactly how this happened, but I assume that tame like points to some reasons why I made a stroke. Should not, is not suitable to be the minister to do a minister for women. And so now this per, this journalist, is saying that insinuating that Grace Tame is not a good wrote role mode, because she's attacking another woman, which is exactly what the fuck you're doing, and she's pulling out all of these things. Like again,...

...like I said before, this article is not it's about the pulling handson podcast. What the white are you just? It's just created to in like under some kind of ruse and guys, but it's actually just an attack on grace tank. Well, it is, but I'd not is it about the point has put it? Is it about everything? I think it's about everything. Okay, well, that's my worried that we're getting that wrong. And it is about everything. It's literally diser a critique of Grace Tame over all. The person's a character attack. But I still don't know what porter has to do with it, but I guess us because she's question critiquing everyone. Okay, so the article is because she has questioned the government the article is literally like gracetome opinions. Enough. That is literally the VIBE I get. Excuse me, a voice? No, you don't have one. An Aerial Rick you traded. You traded Australia over the year for your voice like that is the vibe get. Stoker is also a defender of free and open debates. She has made it clear that she looks dimly honor, attempts to no platform and cancel people, even if she disagrees with them. She expects universities to offer students the chance to think for themselves, which is basically a dressed up way to argue for what they call, in quotes, free speech, which comes from a long history of lecturers and shooters and prominent people in university being homophobic, racist, xenophobic, antisemitic, like fucking name one of them, racist, sexist. That is like this whole like free speech and universities debate, shits me to tears because it only comes up when someone has said something fucked up in a university. I'm gonna vomit after this podcast. Okay, Anyway, I could see your guest bombs the whole time as well. They are high. The article goes on, maybe we need a better selection process for US trailing of the year, one that considers the downsides of providing a privilege platform to a fiery and passionate activist who may end up dividing the nation rather than uniting us. Why is it her responsibility to unite the nation as well? Yeah, you would think that's the government's responsibility. But also I think that what she is actively doing, and is extremely successful in that pursuit, is uniting the people against this against I would yeah, I what I would say is she is uniting Australians against sexist attitudes, misogynistic world views and violence against women. She is literally helping people to see and I think she's doing it the best way, because I think that she is literally waiting for something to happen and then going hmm, what do I think about that, assessing the situation. She's always educated on the matter, no matter what it is, and she expresses in one or two tweets exactly how she feels about the next the decision, the legislation has been implemented, which is what she was doing before she was made a strain of the year. Yeah, she literally literally protested against legislation that gagged her as as a survivor. Yeah, right, and now she's like, Oh, okay, going to continue on my path as an activist who is a gain, is promoting these causes,...

...right, and they're like no, not that though. Yeah, what the fuck is she supposed to end her career? Now she's got the award? What do you expect her to do? Is Literally her life, cause, yeah, it's just that now she has a bigger platform because of the award. I'm going to scream and then I think this will be the final piece that we that I read before we expose explode. Tams youthful exuberance and her exploitation by others is not unlike that of Greta Tumburg. I'll be at younger than tame, the Climate Zeala is full of passion, prone to saying patiently silly things and the go to girl for adulating activists, the go to girl. That is so fucking belittling, like that go to girl, and like silly. She literally called Gore to Tumberg silly, you're silly, right, got them quid? Yeah, prone to saying patiently silly things. Name me one thing, Gretitum but like, have you seen her speak. She is not silly, neither than is. She's so fucking angry and intelligent, and I actually look exactly like I know and I don't think it's ever. OKAYCC Scott Morris, it's a big, silly Mr Speaker. That's like eleven times in three minutes once. Greta Tomberg and grace team are like considerably better speaks then most politicians in Australia. Yeah, Oh my God, like just I really just thought that we were passed, particularly women. I thought that we were past like belittling women for being young and like passionate, because that's what it's an attack on passion. And you know what feminism is about? Having that the ability to critique other women if they're not with the cause. Right, exactly, but this is the opposite of that. It yeah, this is literally trying to make sure that young women feel as small as possible and take up as little room as possible all time. Yeah, disgusting, disgusting, and I was angry enough when I saw a pvo's little tweet about this little silly, silly, little, silly little tweet. But I, like that did not prepare me for what was in this article. That is honestly disgusting. How truly, truly awful. Like I just wonder, like how, how insecure do you have to be to write that about a young woman who you see is making change in your nation? That's really sad. If I don't actually I don't even want to say it's that retracted, because that shows, like tell says sympathy, that I yeah, that I sympathize with her, and I absolutely don't. There is absolutely no excuse for that. I think it's just really tough because I think that for a lot of women in this country, grace team has been like this, with this beacon of hope, this symbol of what we can achieve, and the fact that she was propelled to this position and into our lives has felt like a you know, like some sort of I was going to say saving grace and I was like, God's what I can but truly like the presence of Brittany Higgins and grace team in our lives this year for me has actually been monumental,...

...and I don't think I've acknowledged that prior to this. Right, like I actually wait to see what they've said about things. Yeah, like when something comes up about porter, like we are like jumping to like what we can write about them, what we can say about and what we can express of the people like can understand what's going on and they up with the news. But the people that I'm looking for comic like for commentary from our Grace Hamer, Brittany Higgins, and I always have such respect, in such regard for the way they go about that, criticqul, that it's so much more composed and articulate than I can do, and I try really hard, like I want them. Makes my job, and I looked them and think, fucking hell, that's the goal, like I literally want to be doing what you were doing with your lives, which is like making a genuine change and, you know, speaking up and making sure that every individual voice feels important and to reasoning like that is so disheartening to me, like I can't imagine how someone like grace would feel reading that. I don't know Howhy I said someone like grace, considering the articles about it. I can't imagine how grace would feel reading that. Like I can't even begin to imagine how hurtful that would be. But it actually also I found really hurtful because I think like that's exactly what they would say about any of us who are trying to do something in this space and it is just like so fucking pathetic and it's humiliating for this right that they genuinely have that worldview. But, like, I don't think that that's the way to go about any of these conversations. If you didn't find US completely insufferable, come back next Wednesday for a new episode. Could also find us on instagram at cheek media co or online cheek Mediacom. To date you. Yes, Buffel, that's the one.

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