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Episode · 1 year ago

13. Is Bump the next Aussie cult classic?

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In this episode, we talk about Stan's original series Bump. Bump is authentically Australian, and focusses on high-achieving Oly, a 16 year old who has a suprise baby and chronicles her growing relationship with said baby. We absolutely loved the show, and could talk about it for another 50 minutes if anyone would want to listen.

Read our Bump review: https://www.cheekmedia.com.au/post/review-bump

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Hello, I'm Christ and Parison Otto and I'm had a focus and and we're co founders of Cheek mediac this is the week the cheek podcast. Loved it. It was actually funny to watch him like that. Wasn't baby from three seeds going pretty sure, but I just want it like the first time. Is Nothing like act. Well, luckily I got thank God I'm by and to thank God. Welcome back to the weekly Cheek podcast. In this episode, Hannah and I are talking about bump, which is a pretty new Australian TV show that premiered on stand at the start of this year. If you haven't watched it and plan to, this episode will have a lot of spoilers and this is also your reminder to watch it, because it is great. Hannah and I absolutely loved bump. We thought it explored a lot of themes that we don't see depicted in this specific way and, despite the fact that there were no people in the show that reflected us in terms of where we are in our life, we found a lot of things very relatable and we definitely connected with some of the characters. Bump is not your typical team pregnancy show. For example, in the very first episode, the main character, Ali does not find out she's pregnant by peeing on a stick. She finds out by giving birth almost in a cubicle at her school, and she has a completely surprised pregnancy. She wasn't expecting it at all, and the series goes to chronicle her growing relationship with her baby. Let's get into the episode. I hope you enjoy it. I'm a of a fan of the Cannon and Oh yeah, like as fast, so yours, but that's it. There for a while. I like the silence. Okay, bump, bump. Websess we actually are obsessed, like it's not often that we have something that crosses over our interest so well, like there's not really things that we like agree on in terms of like things we watch and read. Yeah, actually, no, not at all. Yeah, because we don't even have the same taste in media really, from Gaga and Miley. God, I like Garga, but I'm obsessed with Garga like you. The other cross that we have as mother's eyes. And now I show about team pregnancy. Yeah, we love it. We'll team birth. Really. Yeah, did you know that was going to happen in the first episode? I knew because I've been told before. I watched it. Okay, I didn't know. It was so confused thin because it was called bump. I was like, Oh, pregnant. I think I knew she was going to be pregnant. I think it's like important, differentiated, because it changed the whole game of the plot, whereas it's like such a casual plot to be like I'm pregnant. What do I do? Yeah, yeah, and then she's to like go to school pregnant then ever on, like judge was herd's very tired plot. It is, but it's excellent the fact that, like, you kind of obviously know that she is telling the truth when she says, like it was concealed. I didn't know about it. Yeah, because like someone like her just that that situation would have to happen in order for her to have a baby. Essentially, yeah, exactly. I think I don't remember who I was talking to. Said this. Anyway, they will like I just don't believe, like it's not believable that she didn't know she's pregnant. Yes, it is, and I was like keep watching. Yeah, and also, like concealed pregnancy is a real medical thing. That's the thing and one of the things that I constantly think about is like concealed pregnancy is kind of like the horror story that you always know someone who knew someone. Yeah, that's one of the things that I think makes it believable to me is, like it's kind of like it's not an old wives tale, like you know someone that has happened to or you have a friend that knows someone. Yeah, or you read it about it on the Internet. But it's because, like a lot of smaller women especially don't show if they have a small baby, and a lot of the time we are quite these things to like way gay from stress and but but you can still have period some women have, you know, anemia, which then causes them to, yeah, have periods, yeah, period of time. So I don't think it's that far off a stretch, like exactly. Obviously, people who have consistent periods and would gain like some people get twenty killers and a pregnancy. Like obviously, and I'm not an expert in pregnancy, I've not even it terrifies me every day the thought that I might ever carry a child. Yeah, but when I saw that, I thought they actually did it exceptionally well. I thought so too, and then she also said, like Olie, who's the main character,...

...who is the one who has the baby, says that she had a few periods. She says that her best friend and she also said I thought that I just gained a bit of stress. Way, yeah, that was like her the kind of explainer. But I also liked that they didn't go to such a lengths, like they didn't really make it a huge part of the show, which I really liked. Like one of my favorite parts of the show. In the first episode, the thing that I saw that I was like, Oh, I'm obsessed with this show was the full frontal, full Menstrual Cup for blood, I think, and I think they it was. It was quite a dramatic for show thing, the way they did it. Like what she actually liked, like, I can't find it. Yeah, it was getting fulled up. Yes, excellent. Yeah, this whole drama happening in one scene. But I was struck by that too. Yeah, completely struck when that happened. I was like that's so excellent. It was. It was genius and it was so basically, was in a cubicle and this woman, this girl, I'm saying girl because they were their school girls, yeah, is in a cubicle like trying to pull out her diva cup and then just like two stalls away, Ali, the main character, is literally having a baby. Yeah, and so it was like kind of set up as though like Oh, like, you know to kind of sides of yeah, you know, women's reproductive system. And also it was like as she was pulling and trying to get the Cup out, all he was kind of like looking like as she had like a look of kind of fear about her, and you kind of were like, oh, she's just realized that she doesn't know when she had a last period and a kind of like all kind of came together. Yeah, exactly, Great. I completely agree. I loved it because it was funny because I first was recommended the show when my best friend and her partner had watched it because they knew someone that's plays a supporting role in the show and they were like we watched it to see him. Yeah, but like it's really, really good and they's find the plot to me and I was like, Huh, interest thing. I think that would be good something to for us to recommend, like a progressive show, an Australian show, Bubba Blah. Yeah, but a lot of the time I have a lot of a deep mistrust for a lot of Australian productions. I don't know why. I've just seen a lot of terrible Australian movies in my time. Yeah, I'm TV shows and I'm like there's some cult class. It's like when you think about like things like heartbreak, high hto just add water, like Oh my God, so good. Right. Yeah, but I think in especially in now, it's kind of hard to expect an Australian show to have such an impact, to be like a cult classic, and also because media is like so overwhelming, overwhelmingly American, I think that we just kind of just like Oh, Australian, like that's what are you here? Australian accent. You immediately like my brain immediately process it is like lower quality. Yeah, why doesn't? But that's because a lot of time they shows try to Americanize themselves. Yeah, but bump does it. Oh, it's just so proudly Australia and it's so I love it because it's a mix, it's a diverse range of actors. Yeah, it's a really, really healthy mix of cultures and it really represents our community. I think, yeah, it's going for in a West Sydney. Yes, I'm just a very prominent, well off area, but I think it becomes really becomes like in some ways a tourist sort of like representation, like if you've got the an Zach Bridge, they're walking past like every day when they're on the way to school, and I like that. It kind of shows like you've got the Harby, you've got the Inter West. It's very viby, it's very cool. Yeah, the same time it's not too sort of forced in a way that it's like you you can tell that this is made for an American audience. Yeah, exactly. Well, even things like they wore their uniform. Yeah, and like it was like a very believable school unit. It was, and they like they you could tell because I've had a sports uniform, a skill uniform. They didn't try to make it like to prit him and proper, like you couldn't even do say whether it was private or public. No, like I liked all those things that just like a regular school. Yeah, yeah, I really like that. I thought. I actually found my least favorite part of the show to be, like I sparrently, it's hard to spoil. Don't want that. Listen if you haven't watched. Yeah, the affair between the SCIENTTI's father, the Pe teacher. Yeah, all these mother. Yeah, sure, what does she do? I think I don't think it. Isn't she an English teacher? She a teacher?...

Yeah, yeah, I think she's an English I thought she was an English teacher, but I don't know why I thought that. Now she's a teacher, though. Yeah, they're both teacher. I found out to be the least believable part one because, m he would be punching Claudia Carbon is home, but he's got like the cool p teacher guy. He doesn't use the annoying dad didn't going really. Yeah, I found him so like interesting. Sorry, I'm really sorry. I didn't think much about him, to be honest. Sorry, Mr Hernandez, I just didn't. I just thought like it was a weird set up. I think he was his I. MMM, I don't have no comment, to be honest. I haven't thought about it this will. I only okay, so I watched it by myself in one sitting, sort of like on the week of New Year's yeah, and then last week I watched it with my best friend all ten across three nights, and so it was kind of like we both were watching it for the second time. So then we could like commentate with each other about what we thought about different thing. Yeah, right, so we just yelled suppress surpriends. Yeah, all the time, because I'm we google like it means surprised. So they're little like maybe. He was like at what point they stop saying you are a surprised to this baby, because, oh yeah, when does it stop surprise? Cute. I liked how much Spanish there was in it as well, because that's another thing you don't often see in Australian movies. Like, if you you know, because we are very, very multicultural country. You don't. I guess that's kind of weird. Actually we are so multiculture we yet we never see. That's the thing. Is No representational struggle. Yeah, I really think that. I think. Yeah, I think it was such a it wasn't just like a token, mystic use of culture. No, I think it was like inherent and it was like constantly push just like this is going to be part of this child's life. I need to be part of your life. Yes, integration thing. Yeah, really healthy. I think it was done really well. Yeah, and even as a I mean like from an outside of perspective. My family is Italian, so there are some like parallels between Latin and Hispanic culture and like Mediterranean Italian culture, but from what I have seen elsewhere I'm from, what I've learned from elsewhere, the family structure is very true to how it actually would be like it's portrayed very accurately like this, the grandparents living there and even the kind of more traditional family roles everyone takes on in Santie's family. Yeah, and the like skipping between Spanish and English like that, something that happens a lot in not as much now because my normal has passed away, but in our Italian side of the family. Like so much of that, like just switching between the two and still like very like true to the Italian culture. I also liked how much they made those cultural differences plot points. Yeah, like the baptism and also the sort of like head butt that occurs between Oli and Santie's girlfriend at the time. Yeah, I'm regarding like the protests that happening in Chili at the time. Yes, I like those. They make sort of actually prominent political issues. HMM, live just differences, cultural differences, like an amicable and interesting debate rather than, like some it's going to tear apart or like make it ignorant. It's more just like how do we approach this as a family, like I do. Yeah, make a really wholesome part of the show. Yeah, exactly, and I know that be and because, like, I'm kind of going back to what I said before, because we are such a multicultural country, there are so many people who actually do, like people of our generation who were born in Australia, their parents are probably born in Australia, but they still do have those very prominent cultures in their family and, let more extended family. So I really liked that. I loved the episode with the Baptism. Yes, and I thought that was so good. Thought was so good because it brought together a lot of issues in the show, like about all these security in the way she looks and feels and, yeah, I thought she'd been living out of home and that uncomfortability with like the way she dressed and like she presented at her own beliefs. I thought it was a really interesting way to sort...

...of display how strong she's a person, but like how to come to terms with like meeting in the middle and, yeah, compromise it was. It was a complex episode. I don't know how I felt in the end, like I probably wouldn't have if I was the mother of a child. I actually probably wouldn't have backed as my child. Yeah, that's what I have very, very strong personal beliefs about religion. I thought a lot about this because I have strong personal beliefs about religion as well. And then I think you could argue both sides, and I probably have argued both sides because like if you, if say we were in Ali's position, you can either say no, I'm not getting my child baptized because I don't I'm not a believer in the Catholic Church and I don't want to be affiliated with religion, or you could say, well, this means nothing to me, so if it means something to you, then that's what I think. She could go exactly, and I love that she came back like because I thought, oh, she's like gone, she's never going to come back, like problems were a foot. I loved it when she laid down and it was like she was exhausted, but I know exactly that that moment was done so well, because like in that moment you're absolute exhausted, but something crucials happening. Yeah, and this sort of like organized, powerful, strong persons that I was like, how could I possibly go to sleep right now? Yes, I love that. She was just like lying. They're like, well, I'm not getting any benefit from this. Yeah, I just decides like get back up and obviously, like that is such a tells us sign of like a woman doing so much, I know so much, and I felt that you just kind of break for her that she's yeah, and he liked runs out of I'm coming back. Yeah, I'm fine, we will get through this. Yeah, and also she's like I don't want to talk about it right. Yeah, and I really respect I think that's the exactly the right decision she made when she was like I can't, yeah, but will you, like. I I really thought it was perfect. Me Too. I loved it and I think, yeah, that moment where she tried to go to sleep is like, I don't know if you've ever had these these expect times. There are moments in your life, but happens to me like sometimes where you're like you're like at the absolute edge and you like, I can't take it anymore, whether it's because you're stressed or tired or too many people asking stuff from you. That's a personal one, and you just like for a moment like this happened to me so many times. It's like start crying, except then like two seconds later, you're like, I don't have time have times. I know exactly talking about. I'm done crying, then moving on. That's exactly like. That's how I feel, like she feels so heaven. I also love the scene where she's trying to get her a signment in. It's like the same episode, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, and that he's sleeping and he's like, I don't worry about it, and she's like I like it's such a reflection of the mental load, which we talk about a lot, yes, mentally like the sort of like the mother takes on, like to organize these things, and I also think so if they like a motive that they kind of keep coming back to, which is obvious, but you think about it more in the contrast of like the fact that he wants to be there as a dad. Yeah, so good about that, but the end of the day, it's her body literally that child requires yes, so, no matter what how much effort he wants to make in like taking the baby for a walk or like, like, she has to like she has to be present all the time. Yeah, because that baby needs her so physically. Yeah, so constantly. Yeah, but she can't just eggs. It's just like it's such a symbol, I think, of the difference between like the Mother's requirement versus like the father's like fleeting ability and yeah, like, I think it's really important. I think it's done well, because you constantly like she's what the bag always, yeah, baby, yeah, she always has a baby, and I think that actually, and I know that kind of thing has been touched upon in media previously, but I think like the way, and I don't know if it's because it's Australian or it's kind of portrayed by someone closer to my age, but I think that was like it kind of hit home for me a bit more watching it in in this and I don't know if it's like it could be so many reasons. I think the bump was just so much less polished than a lot of media that I have previously consumed. I was much more real in so design that way. It was polished exactly that way to yes, of course. Yeah, yeah, but as I like an initial I mean I like to I like to analyze shows on I'm watching them about also like to like allow...

...myself to get swept up, yeah, in them, and they were definitely I mean things were definitely Polish, like. I mean I think the it like sex scenes were great and like very close, like a closer example of what you know real life is like absolutely from everything from Anger Samson having the affair yeah, and then sort of attempted sexy in between Ali and Lucky, and then the sex scenes between Ali and Santy and the sex scenes between, yeah, her dad and Birdie, between everyone's yeah, there was a lot, but I think they're done in a way that's kind of like it's not besides one with Alien Santi. They're not like Oh, it's beautiful and sweaty. Yeah, it's very much like, Oh God, like it's like more about the mood that surrounds the sex. Yeah, it's an authentic mood. Yeah, it's like I got swept up in the moment. It's like, Oh my God, I'm catching my having an a fair on this girl's boat. Yes, like shit, it's done so well and they're like totally in the moment and I love the reaction because I'm going to constantly hate in Jowes. Is just like a personality thing, I think. But you know when the character just doesn't quite say it? Yeah, and never felt like that this show. Yeah, never felt they were holding back or being like this ingenuous. I always felt like this person stepped up to the moment and said how they felt and it wasn't sound like traumatic, over the top thing. It was just like actually what I can imagine someone saying. Yeah, yeah, it was like it felt more real, and that's what I liked about it being Australian as well as I was like, I was just quite organic. Yes, it is, and I like how they were. It was the cast was so diverse without like in quotes, you even noticing, because I think a lot of people do. It's like very it comes through on the screen when it's like tokenistic diversity and it's kind of like people from different backgrounds like playing into their stereotype and things like that. But this was like so very authentically diverse. In the end it was like a true representation of Australian culture about. I mean I grew up in a small town. It wasn't particularly diverse, but, you know, for a place like Sydney, yeah, life that is quite authentic. When I grew up in Sydney and when I went to my first high school, which was in Sydney, which is in like the sort of southwest of Sydney, I was the only person in my class that couldn't speak a second language. Really, yeah, trust to those only, I think, for white kids in my class and then in my elective classes I was only white kid. Interesting, just so interesting, because then I went to orange, which was like there was no diverse yeah, like you, there was and there was nothing. Yeah, so it was kind of like I really saw both sides and that is what a Sydney class and looks like. It's so much more interesting. Yeah, it is, because people come from so many different interesting backgrounds and there's so many different ideas all the time. I think. Actually, the thing I thought about it was I love the diversity in the cast and in the school and how authentic. I actually thought like this is what your year eleven classroom looks like. Yeah, I live in a major city like it does and it adds something, but it's so not forced. It was just like enjoyable because everyone has something different to say. The other thing I will say is I thought that, because of the types of personalities that were on display as the main characters in school, those people and those personalities wouldn't been the same group. Interesting. I mean like towards the end when it's like Vince, Remar Ali, Santi, yeah, lucky, and is it jake? I think so. Yeah, yeah, or no, ZAC, that sack. They wouldn't be like like that the gang, you know what I mean, because I's so different in terms of like academic interest, like groups clicks. I thought that was kind of the point that it was kind of like it is it because of the baby? Weird Group? Yeah, I think it's, because it's like two groups coming together, basically, I guess, but I thought, like would that happen? I guess it's because of the baby. So I guess that is the point, but at time I was like, yeah, that's the only thing I'd question. Yeah, my, who's your favorite character? Ali? Really, sorry to be basic. No, my like on a base level it's probably Ali, but my I love Vince. Yeah, just thinks Vince does so like such an underrated. Yeah, also, the scene where they like got high and lost that Lizard was really funny. I just for I'd forgotten it until now. Know, my favorite bit...

...with Vince is when he liked turns to Santi and he's like you got to fix it with Ali Bro, like I need my Queen Rema. That's like what he's telling him my medic day ever. Yeah, it's like just like, like it's so funny. Or when he's like we should go down there and get your baby, because you know those people do those weird things that they make videos with babies. I think you should go grab your baby right now. I can do that. It looks so funny and I keep saying like who's like you see that? Were like you see? Yes, yeah, I love that. The language is so like in a west, like it does it so well, I for school kids. Yeah, yeah, no, it's so good. The relationship between Alien Rema I liked as well. Yes, same. I don't think it was overdone, like I think in those sort of shows it always has to be like we're best. Yeah, we spent every minute in each other so dependent. One of the best things with the RHEMA. Two is when she's spewing into the toilet and Claudia carve and all these mom walks past and she's like get out, you respect me too much to see me. Like yeah, it's so funny. That's exactly a drunk kid would say thing like friends, I was about your like their respect for you. It's like you have too much respect me so you can't see, like yeah, love about this. Yeah, no, I really liked it and I liked how they kind of like at times, I called each other out as well. I think that was like quite genuine. It's not yet, like it wasn't, because usually the way that I see like female friendships, it is either that like obsessed with each other, codependent type thing, or compared or yes, or like a secret, like one of them upsets the other and then they hold it in for like ten episodes. Or you've kind of got that the different parental tropes, where it's either like yes, Mrs or it's like yeah, mom and I have best friend play, I text. The in between is perfect. Yeah, tween of like Oh and Blah, blah, blah blah, like it was chatting to them like you're their friend like you can enjoy your children's friends, but like it's not weird. Yeah, it's not weird either way. Like I like how that they play into like actually authentic Australian relationships. Yeah, yeah, I think one of now I didn't actually think about at the time, but now that I were like talking about I think that one of my favorite things is that it was so authentically Australian. You're not trying to be anything else. Yeah, and there was something like so small that I really enjoyed because it was filmed during the pandemic, during two thousand and twenty. There was like a few mentions of the pandemic. Like there was one part where Ali was doing her assignment and she talked about how many girls will not go back to school because of the pandemic. Yeah, and did you notice in the it must have been the last episode of the second to last after the Christening, when they went back to Allie's place, the dad was like doing some elbow bumps. Oh, I didn't notice that. There was such a small thing. It was kind of like a it was like a joke. He like, Oh, we doing oh, it was oh they're so lame heart kind of clay funny because it's not exerting that has to be defined by the fact that was made during coronavirus, but it's saying like historically, if you watch the show. Yeah, so, whether it's before or after. Yes, I like that. Yeah, I really like that too. And I think there's been a bit of a and I'm not the first person to talk about this, but there's been a bit of a thing, I guess, for lack of a better word, I can't think of anyone anyway where when we're watching TV at the moment, you kind of like, and I mean in Australia, were kind of like in quotes over coronavirus. Yeah, but in the height of it, like seeing people hug on TV, like Oh, you got do that all, like shake hands, it was kind of like, Oh, wow, weird, whereas this one they I don't know, like embraced it as part of it's it's so like very small. Are you up to? Because you're rewatching now, you up to the end? Yeah, yeah, but yeah, it's like of such a small thing and it's like perfect. I think it. It almost could have been improvised. When I saw I was like, I wonder if that was improvised, because it was so like the way that you so minor. Yeah, and the way that you actually interact with people, like nowadays in the real world, when people are just like, oh, like, we doing the elbow bump thing, okay, we'll hugging, cool, okay, that's fine. Yeah, kind of thing. Yeah, I loved it. Was So, so hind very realistic. Yeah, the other thing I really liked about it is...

...the subtle but really harsh, like Olie is given an attitude as a character, the kind of Waynes it goes up and down. Yeah, I think throughout the whole show. But I love the way they kind of approach her, like trauma following the birth, mm, and down to the fact that she's just got a fucking horrible attitude when they're like, you know, you're going to have to or you're calling it in. It it's a her, and she's like, Oh, it's been early to be putting your gender norms on it, isn't it? Like, I love it because she's extremely traumatized, like a site comes to visit her like this, all these things happen. I love the way that they portray the fact that she's a completely disconnected from this baby who she feels like I just ripped her body open and she wasn't prepared for I also love like her like snipes that are just really clever, like even when Rama comes to visit her at the hospital and she's like, I just think that if that's how humans have babies, how we even biologically made it this far? I have. That's hilarious and that's something I said like a couple of months ago, like I was, I watched a video on childbirth and I was like, hones slee, the pain and like what we tolerate as women is a true hijacking. Yeah, I can't even, and I love that. I think they do it well because I think that the way, and I wrote this about is in the review I wrote for the show, which he can see linkedin the action and something I wrote about in the review was that I constantly thought, when through the sort of hospital stage, was that what it portrays? Even after they go home and when she started to breast beating, things as like one. It can happen to anyone. Yeah, it doesn't discriminate and it's not to do with your socio economic status, your academia, your capacity, it's just it doesn't discriminate like a mistake like this, and it's not a mistake, but for some people it could be. Like in this case it's considered like oops, yes, yeah, and then unplanned. Yeah, and the other thing is is like the way that they show like her body and like her feelings towards especially like the breast milk and things, is like it showcases that the way that a baby hijacks your experience like as a physical being in the world is something that affects all women. Yeah, it's shown through this young person that's like totally caught off guard, but I kind of always watch her and think, like I didn't know how it was going to be. O. Yeah, I know what it entails, but I've never really thought about like literally having milk come out of my nipples or like it just it's a strange thing where they put it on show. Is like not like this could happen to anyone, but like this sense of it really is a full body experience. Yeah, and it takes over who you are. HMM. And I think it's like a universal message. Yeah, I think so, definitely. And Yeah, honestly, I don't really have much to add to that. Thank you. Put it well. Thank you, I think. Also, I was thinking about when you were saying earlier about the her little like snipes and things like that, about there were like very overtly feminist. I like the way that they were received by her mom. Yeah, I thought that was again very relatable. Like you know, millennial slush, Jen said to second parent, who's like yeah, exactly, and because I think that a lot of yeah exactly, and a lot of these relationships are kind of like portrayed in media as like kids says something, you know, feminist or progressive and their mum's like Oh yeah, no, mom, like you know, and like our parents are not that old, like so it's yeah, it's not really that believable the way that she was because, and I think that was, like I've related said a lot, where the mum's like Oh, yes, but you know, it's okay, like this is who you are and like good for you, but also like chill out, so she'll feel kind of thing. I really liked that kind of dynamic. I think I was actually thinking about this other day when I was rewatching it, because something that I was thinking about when I was watching it was the very, very opening scene. Is Claudia carvent who's dancing like, you know, Brian Andy's MM and there's a vibrator on the floor. Yes, yeah, I thought that was such an interesting opener because when I kept watching the episodes, I got just like episode five or six, I was like that scene is different to what she is as a character. Yeah, I was confused. I kept watching...

...her. I was like, I don't quite get why they open with that and then didn't. And then I realized at the moment when the dads are having the affair and then she has sex with Hernandez, there's another scene where she's suddenly drinking in, a bit drunk and just with a wine in the hand, when they decide to separate and she's just dancing around the house by herself and no one else's home, and that's what I realized. Oh, it's actually a symbol. It's recurring because in between this period of time she's gone from being planning to leave that day, yeah, and being like so carefree, the vibra on the floor, the music on, like she didn't give it shit, to being completely a prisoner, yeah, to this thing that's happened between her and sort of like the person she shares a grandchild with. Yeah, and also what's happened with her daughter, and it's complete transformation of like the her husband's back in the home and all these contact really controversial, traumatizing things sort of and then you see like again later on, like her come back to that when things start to normalize. Yeah, and I kind of forgot, like I was at first. I was like why do this, AH, there it is. Yeah, it's like a character coming together, like she kind of lost it in the middle. Yes, and did you also notice, and it was only like very, very briefly mentioned, but Ali says to Sun tea that when that when her parents met, they were in the airport and her mum was on her way to Spain to in her boyfriends. So again it's like that. I know that Spain is different to Chili, but like that Spanish like the music, the dance, saying that's like obviously like a recurring like a love or a passion that she has. It's not just to do with the man that she was like having an affair with. Yes, I guess at that point I was like is it a Facus they're having an emotional, fair prior it's not like she's just like kind of taking on the tokenistic, yeah, things to impress someone. Yeah, genuinely got an interest and that's yeah, they did the same thing with Ali. Like she's so she her pronunciation is brilliant, I think. I mean, I obviously don't know, but like what I could from what I could tell, they don't just like let her say like the words. She attempts to say them correctly always. Yeah, engage with the culture and all that sort of thing. I think that's kind of like show this mutual respect that she has. MMM, yes, yeah, and they're both that are both actors are actually Chile in Australian. How do you? How do you, Natalie is? I read on the Internet. I don't remember where exactly, but I can find I'll I'll give you my resist. Yes, yeah, because when I said that, Hannah was like, oh, that's her pronunciation is so good, because it is like spot on good. Yeah, Oh, it's going to say. I really liked the way they sort of I think one of the controversial parts of the series, the part that kind of makes you either love or hate and like have like a sway of the opinion of the characters is the relationship breakdown between Locke and Ali, because there's multiple scenes where there's sort of a controversial interaction where you actually don't don't know. I think the people I side with his different to other people's experiences and there's in those situations because you've got a situation where both parties have cheated on their respective partners. And that's how I've gotten the how always gotten pregnant. Yes, and then, Oh, I thought that some ty wasn't with his girl for like I thought it was like questionable. When they got together. I think it might have been questionable, but I remember on the when she's leaving the house and getting in that girl's you. Yeah, she says like, Oh, you didn't even have sex, but suddenly have a baby. Like she makes like a reference saying like that he was like pretending not to have had sex with her. Okay, but yeah, so I think that's like maybe you want to say that. If yeah, no, but I like the way they so the the sort of issue is is that locky. Her current boyfriend's been cheated on. They haven't had sex together yet. At then she kind of doesn't make time to talk to him about any issues, because she's just like so of well with having had a baby. Completely understand, but she's also cheated on her boyfriend, who's now not telling his dad that it's not his and her parents also think it's his. Yes, like this whole swirl of emotion. Yeah, as a bunch of like brutal argument scenes. Essentially, yes, because he first of all offered to kind of he's like, I won't say anything, like will pretend it's mine,...

I don't give it away. Yeah, exactly, because I were going to give it, the baby up for adoption, that it was going to be like kind of done. Yeah, I think they do. Like there there's a certain pewer innocence to their argument, like they both just being selffish young people. Yeah, I'm wanting to know, like right now, what's going on with them, and I think it's fair enough, like both parties are right and wrong in their own ways. Yeah, I think the way that, because I honestly forgot about that because it happens quite early in the season, and I think that the way that they resolve things and like lucky moves on to kind of like experiment with sexuality and they become friends. I think he actually confides in her for assistants with a guy he's seeing at the time. Yeah, exactly. So I think that way. And initially when I saw that I was like, oh, that's way too like, you know, mature for high school, but then I was like, but she's had a baby, so it's like kind of changes, I Dina. I think that's the thing. It's like kind of just they both have to demand more of themselves immediately because I've been through this experience together. Even though he's yeah, like it's quite an emotionally traumatizing like relationship and the end is quite brutal where he like says like I hate you. Yeah, it's really awful and I think he there's also a scene where he first hooks up with this guy, Zach, sort of in front of the whole school and all he kind of approach them like you humiliated me, and he's like, well, how do you think I felt when you had a baby? There wasn't mine? Yeah, and the wholes like and it's like this really like I think it is a mature conversation, like a meeting of the minds, where it's like well, hang on a second, Ali because you've had a baby, everyone's looking at you doesn't mean you have this monopoly on you know, controversy at the moment. Yeah, I need to consider my feelings as well. And obviously she's just like Oh, she's exhausted. Fair enough. Yeah, I think she has rights to be more exhausted and more, you know, annoyed than anyone else in the show. But at the same time it's like he's just asking you for some clarity and some respect, and that's not that hard. Yeah, because she knew what she wanted. I think was a good examination of like it's not hard to ask for like boundaries, even when someone's like struggling or something like. Yeah, it's not hard to ask for transparency. Yes, exactly. And, to be honest, when I started watching it, I think Sunti, because he's often shown like smoking weed and skipping school. He's kind of like painted in the first few episodes as the drop kick. Yeah, and so it's kind of like I thought it was kind of be going to be one of those typical storylines. It's like, Oh, smart girl like falls in love with the drop kick and something, you know, something bad coupons. Yeah, and it kind of like flipped that. Yeah, as it went on and as like the viewers get to know Santi and, you know, we find out lots of things about him, how he is with his family, how he kind of he he really liked, kind of embraces being a dad immediately, which is not really there. You know, typical storyline for this kid who has been painted as the drop kick. I like that. Yet sort of drugs do not define the level, Ye, kindability, this person has, all the interest that they have. Yeah, I like that. Like, they're not. You're not, as a read as of viewer, you're not position to hate characters based on the fact that they've drank. Yeah, I smoked a joint, exactly, skip school. It doesn't define their character. You move on quite quickly from these feelings. Yeah, I'm saying with the parents who are having affairs, like I often, like find it so easy to hate certain characters for their ethical choices and their moral delivers. With this not, I never felt like that. I honestly was just like, Huh, it's interesting because they've brought this in, but they have not tried to like really challenge my view of them. Yeah, they've just tried to kind of like bring in a new perspective and kind of like normalize, like most young people try weed. Yeah, that's quite normal. Yeah, and I really like that. I also just like that, like the friendship support like Vince's like they're smoking, welded together, but they're still asking each other important questions, like why are they yeah, exactly. Yeah, it was actually a very different example of a male friendship. Yeah, on the screen. Now that I think about I...

...guess I do normal males. Yeah, males that they I think that's the other thing is that they make them look like school kids. Hmmm. They make them look like there's the makeup is really done, like, yeah, normal, like they look like. I don't even think that she's very much makeup like throughout the serial. I think so. And there's a lot of personality to them still, like they just look like they're seventeen. They don't look like again, like the twenty eight year olds of fucking Nice coffees and you know BMW's. Yeah, that vibe. It's just like this simplistic actually what it's like, because the storyline does that for you. It doesn't have to be done up in an outfit. Yeah, exactly. No, I liked I think I'm also there's been and this is I don't think this is the first show to do this, but I think it's one of the shows that started the best where we're kind of not really seeing like there's not like the bad characters in the good characters. It's kind of a bit more true to what humans are like. Yeah, in real life, like there's lots of shades of gray, like you know, in quotes, good people do bad things and sometimes bad people do good things, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff. So with the what you were saying, like they weren't necessarily painted as like bad character incoming, like, you know, get on the piano keys. No one's really given the music. No, no, it's given that narrative. No, exactly, because even the dad, who like for the most part, all he's Dad, is painted as like he's not, he's a dress dad. Yeah, exactly, he's still got stuff, exactly, but he's just not doing that. Well, yeah, exactly, he's us like in a more typical mainstream piece of media would be like we hate that guy, he's less and now, oh, now he's gone and had an affair. But it like the way that he was, like the way that his character was built in the plot when it's like you kind of he was in daring. He spent a lot of time with the baby, working are struggling with it, struggling baby. He was quite he was like quite hurt by the like news of his divorce. He was quite endearing sometimes, like he got along with Ali, and I think that also another thing that I thought when it started is like Ali like hates her mom and her dad, who's absent, gets to be the fun one, who's her favorite, and it didn't really evolve like that. Yeah, it was kind of like Ali was like aware of the issues that her dad had and she, I don't know, her relationship with her parents was very I didn't think and I didn't see it as something that was like front and center. It was kind of justlike normal. I don't know, it is very like, you know, we have fights, then we're best friends and I need my mom when I'm sad and my dad is an idiot sometimes, but she sees them as people. Yeah, exactly, kind of Nice because she's not putting them on this weird pet print or pedestal, like yes, it's do, especially that I just like it's at this time in her life when she's beginning to see them as like people with flaws, but it doesn't define her relationship with them. Yeahs a quite a good bounce back rate. And the thing is like, yeah, even with the Dad, like in times where he was being a idiot, like when he goes and abuses so and he's dad and goes and he's the lawyer about the birth, stifficult, all this Jama just go AH, stop. Yeah, stop it dumb, like I just like God, take Pu your head and like I never get like furious with him. I'm like, oh, he's doing it again. And but you know, because you know someone like that. Yes, like it's everyone's dad a bit. Yeah, yeah, and it's like it's just like a bit of a dilemma because you can tell where he's coming from. Yeah, it's been emotional. He's highly strongly, doesn't know what to do. He feels like helpless. Yeah, he's drowning a bit, and that does understandable. Yes, and then you've got like exhausted for the mom who's at the hospital and she's just like Oh my God, yeah, so please do you HC parttime, like please, and just suggesting all these logical things and she's just like I'm you can tell. She's like, I'm so proud I've got a daughter that's is strong. Yeah, I love the part where she just goes to the ground. She's like she's so fucking I'm grateful. Oh, yes, that's exactly how I was my mother at that edge. I was like I'm going to be ducks and I'm gonna go to harbor. It was the most ridiculous set of calls. I was I was Olie and you're all over. I completely get that. Yeah, and my mom would always turn around and be like Chez I push China, no appreciation, and I watch...

...that tend I was like, oh, my mom should watch this, like I told my sister and my momost like you have watched show, like it is such a good show for yeah, it's like it's it's surprising, like I also like that it's quite it's a show that should be aimed at teenagers, but it's actually more aimed at us. Yeah, because it's m A. There's some really explicit material in there, there's a lot of swearing, there's a lot of graphic scenes, but at the same time it's aimed an adult audience who really can look back on and be like that's brilliant. Yeah, it's a brilliant, brilliant rendition of the high school experience. Yes, and it's like my sister could watch it. I mean it's probably like she's fifteen. She could watch it, even though it's like, oh, she'd be probably like just on the cast. Yeah, but like my mom and I and my sister would enjoy watching that tag other so much. Yeah, exactly. I think. Well, I think the younger audience, who like watching people their own age, would still really enjoy it, but I think that people our age and older probably get more from it. Yeah, exactly. And just something else I realized just so I'm realizing so much. God's rear and realize the realizing things. It's kind of I'm sorry, it's I don't think about her ever, but at that I use like quote a lot. I don't know why is that. It kind of like was when I was when I was just thinking king, like her relationship with parents is just like very normal. Like the show was kind of like not hyper focused on any of the relationships, but they were also like such a pivotal and know, it was just very like realistic in terms of how it bounced. Yeah, because it's like all of the I mean, obviously, like Ali and Santi's relationship were at the was at there, like the front, but I think that the relationship that was the show was all about was like olive relationship with her baby. Yeah, and I like that. My one common is, I think, those twenty babies they used in that show. Did you notice that? I didn't think to know. Didn't notice that. Now that was the one prevailing comment for me. At the end. I was like every baby had a different amount of hair. I knew that. Some more like. I knew that, like I just I could. They were all different ages all the time. I knew and the second time I watched I was Hellyer's chok, this baby her chips, baby, like and she's like yeah, I saw that. To me like it was sorry, you can find out how many babies worked on bumpy. Listen to this place. I take this is like good in g comment. I loved it. It was actually funny to watch them like that was the baby from three seeds ago, I'm pretty sure. I don't think. I think that that's actually good to know, though, because I thought that was like extremely obvious. I first wasn't? It means I was looking too closely. Yeah, I mean, I think you consume things with a hypocritical lens a lot of the time. ME. Yeah, I was the same people. I was likely. No, no, no, you. I think I'm extremely attentive to detail. Yeah, I think it's because I always wanted to work in the industry, but don't. I'm so I watch things differently. I also watch things many times. Do you know? I actually yeah, I know, like when I said that I loved bump because Hanna finished it before me and then I was like, oh my God, bump. No, wait, no, you started it before me. Yeah, anyways, and anyway, we're talking about it when we're both finishing, hands like yeah, I think men, I watch it again next week and I was like that's the good but you always do that. You're like, yes, I've watched the Hillary documentary for times. Well, it's because I think this is fair. I watch things really fast. Yes, I watched the first like I watched bump. I started at nine pm on my day off, and that I took a breakout one hundred thirty. I want thirty am to sweep my floor and eat a piece of toast. It was so straight. It was because I was watching strong women. So I watched the first eight episodes downstairs. Yeah, and I just like I was looking around, realized like my house nights would be back tomorrow from like their Christmas holiday sort of thing. So then I was like fuck, got bit cleaned up. I haven't done it because I've been too busy watching bump. Yes, I swept downstairs like White, the kitchen bench down, made myself a Captina pizza toast, finish them, looked around, thought, okay, now I'm ready to continue. Yeah, went upstairs, proceeded to finish the show and I finished a three am. Okay, so you watched it in one sitting, virtually, but I went by I had swept in my upstairs in between. Yeah, I kind of saved it a little bit, but I did it on purpose because I was like, but I don't like favorite because I can watch it again, but I just...

...want it like the first times. I act. It's nothing like the first time. and well, luckily I got thank God, on my own, dude, thank God. But yes, I didn't want sitting, and I know what you mean, like there's nothing quite like watching it in like the first time. When you do know what's going to happen. Yeah, but for me, like I am an allarnohing person and I cannot say that anything. I am like the person who like eat saser three bites because I'm like gold too good. Oh No, I like to save because I'm like smaller bites are satisfying. I like to eat things with a small spoon, have lots of spoons. Bite, you're boring. That was really weirdly me take that out and is roasting me. I don't want to have mainstream but anyway, do you know one of my other favorite things that I really related to is when, at the end, because they've basically like Ali and Santi or Alli has decided, like we need to break up because it's never gonna work. Yes, and then scanty's like, why don't we to see how it goes? And she was like I never hated that. Yeah, I was like that's actually so relatable. Yeah, I love that because, honestly, when that sort of stuff happens in movies, you're like this is the greatest tragedy of what like it's like yes, there's no sort of logical coming back. Yeah, I liked how this comp especially between teenagers. Yeah, like, of course, like I'm we are both the type a like headstrong persons, like my way or the highway. Yeah, and then, like when my partners like, but have you just like taken a second to think, like stopping fucking Cranky Bitch, I'm like, oh, it's spiry. Thank you very much. I never have thought. But honestly, he's usually right, like I, yeah, like sleep or eat, and like she needed to do both of those things. Yeah, but sorry, I didn't mean like I was being a craky bitch. I just mean, like sometimes it's comes this like other angle is like you're making these decisions, but you haven't even consulted me. Yeah, and like and you haven't even seen like you don't even know. We don't know what tomorrow is going to be like. Yeah, brings the gap, like it's not. Yeah, yeah, it was very much. Yeah, like I found that. I mean I think, like I related to all you a lot. I think, you know, her character has a lot of characteristics that I have in my real life. Yeah, so I found that I was just like wow, yeah, and even watching in a sixteen year old, I was like that is me in so many ways. Yeah, for sure, I'm not even open to this other idea, and I especially Ye Hannah's like, well, I'm going to Harvard, so I went away a little. I Love was never going to hard. I kind of even imagine want it. I love that scene where she says, like this lady from like the young global leaders like that I met was like having a humble brag about like whether she's got into Harvard and Columbridge isn't which want to take, and I was like, Oh God, we almost someone like that. Yeah, it's so painful. Yeah, especially in high school, like everyone's just like yeah, I completely get it, like she's an excellent person who's like you can tell she's up in her head about it so much as she's made the decision and then she hasn't even considered to consult. Always me, always, yeah, not a bad thing either, but it's like it's like it was really refreshing to see him go all you like, chill out. Yeah, I hate I hate that. Yeah, I hate my partner so much, one mellow than me, and it is yeah, well, who Wa wa and he didn't say. I mean it's actually different. It's not a connotations, like might you just relax, like she I said that. Yeah, it's very much. I like, well, I really am enjoying this, and so like you're making these decisions about what's going to happen that hasn't happened yet. Yes, get some perspective. I also think that it was just a really nice way to end because, like you know, he proposed so the ending could have been like they get engaged in they're going to get married. The ending could have been in the collie being like you, like, we need to break up because it's never going to go anywhere. So I thought, like the ending there's just like Oh, okay, Yep, we're going to break up. It's like how do we to see how this goes? Okay, yeah, like it was just again then very the final moment as her with her baby again by themselves. Yeah, yeah, I'm so glad he wasn't there. Yeah, sorry, somety. It's sort even about Santie. It's about like again, I think you're absolutely right. I hadn't bought it from the angle, like it always comes back to just her baby joy. Yeah, exactly, because like that was so pivotal, because at the start she's just like just me. I don't want anything like like I don't want anything. She was the Sady is just yeah, and it kind of grew and I guess it...

...was highlight about the fact that she didn't know she was pregnant. So she literally went from in a matter of hours from like being a regular so with no child, to having a baby to look after. So she went through all of these like I really liked how she didn't because you know how when usually when it's portrayed like a woman gives birth and it's just like Oh my God, this is my weld in my arms, and there was none of that. It was like get that thing away from me. Yeah, she literally said that. Yeah, exactly, and then she kind of had to come to a decision on her own and then like wanted to prioritize her babies life, but also didn't want to like put hers on the back burner. I really liked how there was this pivot between like I don't want it and well, I did the research and her long term outcomes. ME. Yeah, I just love it's clever because it's not too much or too little. Yeah, defining her choice by like something she from the Internet. It is, but it's like it's managing to do that in a way that doesn't seem like it should define anyone else, like who's watching the show? Yes, you know what I mean. You know when to show like does something, when you think like I love that because it's simple and it's effective. It's not like forcing that opinion on anyone's just like a clever plot line. Yeah, it wasn't that, you get around exactly. It wasn't just her working up and being like Oh my God, and if I really love this baby, I could never get up forgive it. I actually it's a practical like, yeah, someone like Ali would change a mind like that. Yeah, exactly, and then she goes now I'm going to develop my relationship with this. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I love it. Love it ten out of ten and well, actually got a four out of five stars. So that's her off now that we're going to say ten on ten, but ten out of lie in terms of the actual that the genre it fits into. Tear out of ten. Yeah, one hundred percent. I have don't think I've never seen anything like it. I wouldn't know what to compare it to. If you found us just totally a relatable at Grek, you come back next Wednesday for a new episode. Until then, head to cheek. MEDIACOM DNA you to tie you over until then, by good day,.

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