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94. Do you call out your friends?

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In this episode, we're asking whether we are responsible for the morality of our friends and family.

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Hello, I'm Christin Parisonato and I'm Hannah Ferguson and where co founders of Cheek Media Co. This is the Weekly Cheek Podcast. Right before we start the podcast, I would like to acknowledge that we are in stolen Aboriginal land here in my engine, and that sovereignty was never seated. And I would like to pay my respects to elder's past and present. Welcome back to the Weekly Cheek. Welcome today today. So I'm going to be talking about friendship something how I doesn't know about. I am so funny, but I'm not a good friend. That's a new teacher. That's actually such a lie that you're Yeah, well, I was going to say, you're not quirky, but you are a good friend. Quirky. I don't think so. I'm awesome. I think I just have a bit of reevaluating easily such good I don't think you're quirky. I don't want to be quirky. Funniest word. I'm the funniest person. Hilarious. I mean, if your Instagram bieve you noticed the change hours that's how often you talking always? Did you only just change hours ago? I changed I noticed that this morning I was like just sing maker of memes felt cringe e yeah, because like, who uses the word memes anymore? It's such a millennial thing. Do you think what does names? Call them funnies? For a second, I was like she could be serious because I wouldn't know. I'm not make serious. But what I mean is like to say the word that I make memes like that's embarrassing. It's the one time they make memes would be like, fucking show me one thing that's funny. Yeah, true, So instid I put hilarious act mediaco Okay, which is what I am. Clearly you've been cackling anyway, what did you go prove? Go off? Laugh at me? Okay? Fittingly, we are talking about friendship in this episode or like particularly like personal relationships. I'd say probably extends past. Oh I guess that's going to be past part of the question, maybe week of you. Okay, So let's say we put up a pole. We didn't. I don't know what I was going to say that I was going to be. So we've actually polled our audience. Sorry, So basically yesterday we were like a funk, what we're gonna do a podcast one because that's how we roll, very professional. And then christ And said, well, I saw this quote, Actually, what do you think about it? And to be honest, I don't really know what it meant it first until Christin later said something different, and then I was like, oh, that's what you didn't read the caption. It was mostly in the caption, but I didn't. How were I supposed to read the caption? Well, I showed it to you like this, and I sent this to you anyway, I'm the CEO in your hilarious Stop. You are...

...such a control free I didn't take it back from I didn't mean to put in quotes. I didn't put quotes to say you're not hilarious. Okay, anyway, so the post because also I think that we should give them credit. Win in another minute, silence mood, feel offended, you can do a while. I read efficiency. I didn't mean hilarious as in you're not hilarious. I know, almost emphasizing that is itself. This is really vital to the podcast. Um. So the quote is we live in a society where we are responsible for the morality of the people we break bread with, and it's attributed to guys we fucked the anti slut shaming podcast. But I don't know if they made up the quote, So sorry. If that was your quote in my stolet um, i'd be surprised. It doesn't seem like a random thing for a podcast. Um. Okay, So caption, what do we think is it our responsibility to keep our friends morals in check? That's the question we're gonna be asking today. I think that the two things are different. I think that saying that we have a responsibility for the morality or people we break bread with is like insinuating that, like our you can tell someone's morals by the people that they spend time with. But then in the caption it said are we responsible for keeping our friends morals in check? Which to me is like calling it out kind of thing. I think you're a bit different. Yeah, But I think that sort of comes into the idea that people can be changed. And if you like someone fundamentally, but you maybe having a um differentiation or a distinction on something like a moral value, that to say that you can't be friends with them on the pure basis of that one view or that one value and not have that conversation and bring them along and try is also to negated as well. I think, like, I don't see the value in saying like, oh, with how morals are different, we're not friends. I think I think they're I think they're connected in that way like we are. We are responsible to keep them in check. But if someone is fundamentally misaligned, then then it's a reflection of us. This is so interesting because this is I think the biggest difference between the two of us, because I'm very is going to happen one too well, I don't think it's I don't think that either way is right necessarily. Um. But I think like for me, and obviously our interpretations of that quote are different because for me, I'm like, oh my god, I can't have anyone around who's like problematic like that. It's really bad. But what's because I wouldn't, um, well, it would be according to my own values, um, so problematic to me or like misaligned with my own values. It's probably a better way to talk about it. Um is that So if I like had a friend and then they said something fucking racist or like something about the queen, um, it was like pro monarchy for me,...

...that's like, okay, I have to reevaluate this friendship because this is not working for me and these are not the people that I want to have around me. But for you, when you hear someone and probably I would say like, I would assume that it's not even necessarily like your close friends. It's like people in your proximity say something um, you know, for example, like racist or pro monarchy. You would be like, oh, here's an opportunity to provide them with a different view. That's the view that I align with. So I think that our interpretations of the of the idea or the quote are very different based on that. Yeah, But I also think it's hard because our definitions and of friendship and our social circles are different too. So you're someone who likes a very close few people that are completely aligned, whereas I actually like having significant differentiations with my friend group because that offers me like in my view, like I like having a wider circle, I like having differences of opinion, and I like um. But that's not to say I like engaging in conflict or I'm attracted to accept problematic behavior necessarily, but I like that. I feel like Kin'm bouncing around maybe outside of my own views echo chamber and doing those think. I'm not saying you are you are like that, but I get what you're saying, Like you you have very limited time for other people and you only want to have It's true you like you like really intense, high quality one on one time. So if someone is like racist in that time, you're like, well, the fufe. Whereas I'm like at a party on the weekend with twenty people and I'm like, yo, I fucking hated that that you said that, you know, Like, but it's not like I'm brought down by that because but then again, like the other the flip side of that is there's a lot of things that like I say my friends say that I know I wouldn't say in front of other people, Like I think that you see a lot of content on TikTok. That's like, you know, sometimes you take one friend to another friend and you're like, don't do that ship. And that's when I'm like really questioning my own values because I'm like, if I'd be embarrassed in front of one friend, what does that say about what I'm accepting and what I'm tolerating and what who does that make me? Then? Um, And that's kind of an interesting point too, because then I'm like, am I problematic? What is that? Yeah? So it's like that question as well if I'm breaking bread with these people, but I don't think they because I also think, isn't it interesting in social circles? I don't want to take away from the central topic, but like when you meet someone else's friends and you're confused, that is such a red flag and it feels like a betrayal. You're like, I don't even know this person on myself, but I think I like, I don't know if I've talked about this in the podcast before, but like I talked about it a lot with my friends. Is like this idea of like a personality pie. And when I first told like what flavors are? Like I'm steak and mushroom, And I was like, listen to me, suck off. That's see like a physical pipe or a graph pie. I don't care. I see like each person is this this pipe or a pizza, and you slice yourself up and you are different portions of the high with different people. Now, like my ideal for myself...

...would be that I would be You're not with anyone except yourself. But I think that there's like my best friends and like my partner that i'd want to be with partner. But the idea, my idea was I want to be really close to with like my best friends, like two or three people in the world exactly. But I understand sometimes when it comes back to this idea of like who you're sharing space with, and like when your friends meet friends, sometimes you get a bit of a shock when you meet a friend's friend, and I try my best not to judge the person when I meet their friends, and I think, what the fuck right? Because I get that people get different things from different people, and I respect that. It's kind of like when it comes back to um, you know, when we say a lot of time men get a lot of their emotional needs only from a significant other. It's good when people have different kinds of friendship and get different things from different spaces. But when the value misalignment is like it's fucking flying everywhere, it either means that that person is devoid of like political and social value and they just hang out with people they like spending time with, which I would never do, Like I'm not going to like completely negate that world view right. But for me, politics and social issues are so closely aligned to my identity that if the people around me, like I couldn't all like have a conversation, like a progressive conversation, but they probably not in my life or not an important part of my life at all. But not to say that there, I know that probably only like when we get to that outer friendship circle. I don't know what people are voting. Really, I don't know what everyone's voting. Like I would know everyone who I spend any amount of time with, I think I would know how they vote. I don't think any of my friends vote liberal, but like I wouldn't know beyond that. Interesting, that's so strange. That's really taking me off. But I think it's because like, there are people I spend time with it I really avoid political conversations with because like I'm like, that's ten percent of the part that I'm just spending time with you for this reason. But I think that everyone who's close to me in any way that I'm willing to be open and honest and a true friend. It's all sandstone, Yeah, But there are a lot of acquaintances and people I just know and like would have a friendly conversation with that, I'd have no idea. Well, I think that UM. I think that it's probably more applicable for like family this quote. No, I think it's less well, I think it's more sorry, I shouldn't say applicable. I think it's more like, I don't know, more meaningful, because it's like you're like, I don't know, and some people might, to be honest, if I had a family member who UM voted for, like Pauline Hanson, I probably feel like you're actually that to me, and I'm not speaking to you anymore. But I think that family and like really close relationships, especially family, because you don't get to choose UM, is more about like how you interact with those people, because I think that it's a difference between like calling it out when family members says something problematic...

...and like just being like, oh it's just then, ha ha oh. Absolutely, But I actually think that the fact that you can't choose them, it makes that quite less applicable because if I have a friend that's continuously engaging in and perpetuating some sort of bigotry UM that's in a public space and they're like making jokes like I will be like that's it, right, Like I think family is a perfect test for whether you live by that quote or not. Yeah, but I also understand that for a lot of people like not safe, yes, and the idea of family and keeping the peace, because you know, you can have twenty family members and three that are problematic at the table, but you might not have a choice and it might not be you know, you just I can understand in those situations letting it go because you just want to have a nice day with everyone else. Like, and I wouldn't ever critique someone for just ignoring that so that they can have that wholesome family time, Whereas with friendships, I think it's more like you're actively choosing and electing and pursuing this with no. But I also enter the and I think we both agre with this to the flip side of that, where both of the view Like I don't understand the blood is thicker than water thing me neither, right, it's not, it's not it is, but technically like scientifically, yes, blood we're not liquid, we're not perpetuating some disinformation is actually thinner than water read the word. But I I don't like I value my friendships more more than my family probably, I'm not not sorry, not my brother and sister. I value my brother and sister more importantly than anyone else. But my parents can parents in front of my parents can eat ship. Sorry for me, it's more just like, um, I just don't think that. I think that the idea of like blood is stick of the water is like you do anything for family, no matter what. That's what it is for me. And I'm like, you know what, I murdered somebody literally always my thing is, like my mom said to me from like a really young age, and I actually have so much respect for this because it is who I am too. She was like, I just think that if X if their child killed someone, they'd help them bury the body. And she was like, I'd fucking cultural zero on you straight up. And I was like, fair, I mean for me, like, if you murdered someone, I'd be like, what can I do to I agree with that, I would do that for you too, But when it comes like when it came to my mom, I actually respected that. She's like, if I raised a monster, I'm fucking jobbing on the monster. Although unless you just like actually, unless you murdered someone like for no reason then I'd be like, no, I don't know her, but if you if it was some kind of revenge, man, I'd be like, go off. But it's more just like that, like bloody stick in the water to me is just like, um, I'm loyal anything. Yeah, love like unconditional loyalty, and I don't believe in that. Do you not understand when people say, like, you know, like marriage should be unconditional. Love is conditional? What are you all talking about? The conditional? What fucking...

...talking about? Unless it's a baby. You're saying everyone can do like someone can do anything to you, and you're like, well, it's unconditional. What the fun? That's fucked up? Loyalty is such like I find that so like toxic masculinity, like that type of blind So basically what we're saying right now is one of us, if one of us stepps out of line, we're done. That's good. Hold each other to account, that's good. I think it is like you can't just let people it's all the same ship. You can't just let people do anything and be like, well, in twenty twelve, he helped me when I was going through a tough I'm like, I don't care if he's like, murdered your cat, what the fun? Yeah, no forgiveness. That is actually absurd. We really don't know where it comes from. We are a bit both take no prisoners in this sense as well, though. I mean, I'm pretty easy to like if someone wrongs me, I'm pretty easy to wash my hands with them. Generally, Yeah, wash my hands with them all the I are going to do this together, and it's kind of healing the other's hands. I just think that no, like, no, no. So many people have gone through this world fucking unchecked for the entire lives, and that's how you end up with people like Scott Morrison. Okay, honestly, people around him have been like, Scott, you're a really good politician. You're going to be the Prime Minister one day because you're so fucking good. Someone must have. Men like that do not prop themselves up. They get propped up by others. He was propped up by Jesus. He's so true. It's a shame Jesus doesn't exist. Those songs stick in your head like I haven't heard them for like over a decade. Of God sometimes and jam you think that one's a jam jam My school had like a few like cool like hill song, any one so did mine? Those ones are really welcome to the family. And we have this one called go make a Difference. It hits. I don't know those ones Go make a difference to go make a difference in the world was the vibe of the chorus. I can't think of any right now, but Amazing Grace was always my school's favorite. With the extra that's quite emotional, the extra verse track. This guy was called by God to write an extroverse to Amazing Grace, and he said, God, there's no way, and then God was like, way, and then he wrote it. That's the actual story of what happened. Okay, look into it. Backing into the breaking bread. Yes, So when we talk about like being responsible, what does that actually look like? Well, I think the perfect A good example is like a partner. I've seen a lot of this on TikTok so. I don't know if anyone else has seen it. But the um they're like trope is like sorryes are so straight the that's my favorite catchphrase. Um the like Instagram activists woman who is like dating the like Trump supporter racist...

...boyfriend. I think that's like a perfect it's not all about relationships. It's not all about like um intimate relationships. But I think it's a good example because it's like if I, you know, knew someone who was really progressive and aligned with me, and then they brought their partner to an event and they were like problematic, problematical, like racist, I'd just be like, what the absolutely what is that? Like? I just think that for me is like grounds for my personal cancelation of the person. Yeah, because you can't, like, I just don't nobody who I want to be around with would ever date someone who has like conservative or racist, homophobic, et ceter views. And if you're allowing them in a partner or even in a friendship, then I think that that's a poor reflection on you. Either your values are not as they are as you represent them, or your um I don't know, just like would take convenience over calling it out and allowing that person because I think like there is like something to say for your approach of like educating people and bringing them on in the journey, but there is something, there is something well what I still wouldn't do it personally because I'm like, I don't know, I wouldn't um can't be bothered. That's what part of the reason actually, I'm just like I can't with these people. Don't understand you go away from me. Um, you're upsetting me, You're ruining my chakras. So there is something to be said for that. But then like, and obviously you don't condone it when it's like a friendship that is like really close to someone, it's not that's not it. And if someone can be in a relationship, if a like fucking racist person can be in a relationship with a person who's progressive, then that progressive person is not doing a very good job quite frankly. But the other I think the thing that like is probably missing from our perspective on this is that like people don't talk about social issues and politics the way we do every single day. Like if like, to me, if I'm putting my best foot forward, it's like letting people know immediately what I do for work, what cheek is what my views are, because there's no point stepping past like you know, hello, there's no point stepping off. Go yeah if we're not aligned, right, And that's because like I just have no capacity or time for people like that. But there is and this is what I think is really hard is like a lot of friendships aren't based on those things. Yeah, I think if it's not important to you, then maybe it's not. But for me, like and can you have And this is where I think comes back to this personality part, like what is our responsibility when it's not someone that like we like, we have a very close friendship and like when we disagree sometimes it's on the most niche ship in the one percent, and we're like, it's gonna take a few hours, it's gonna take a few hours away. But um,...

...when you're you know, if I had a friendship with someone that was just social sport and a drink on the weekend or you know, we did a class together or blah blah blah, something like that, and I'm getting something really wholesome from them, And it might take you a couple of years in that sort of a context to like discover what's lying underneath. Then like what like if you can separate that, I probably still couldn't. It would probably make me a bit nauseous if I if I discovered it and then I continued, Um, But it's interesting in those contexts because I think there's so many there's so much capacity for different types of types of friendships. And again, in those settings, maybe I could have the conversation still and be like, well, we're very different in that way. I don't want you to bring it up, but you should consider these things. But it's like, what is the responsibility to continue pursuing and fixing as well? Like I think I've probably done enough fixing. So as much as I say, like when you said something to be said, thank you, I respect that something be said for my view, Um, but I think the other thing is is that there's a problem with my view. I know problem. There's a problem from my view in the fact that like isn't my job in every social setting to be fixing, educating, Like it's something I can do and I have capacity to do, but like some reason to relax, Like it's like I'm always looking at people, and like I want to see the best in people, and I think that's my problem. You don't have that problem, No best. Actually my psychologist said it's me the other day. She said, you find it really hard to let go because you want to see the best in someone even when there's like so much bad and so you're so willing to forgive or look past because you're like, but I can, I can aid this. And it's just like that's a bit ridiculous, Like and I think that's a it's a good and a bad thing, you know, in these situations, like when I take on responsibility for that person's morality or something like, that's a fucking big ask. And it's like also that person might not want to be fixed or you know, come around to that view or like what is it? Who am I to say that? Like I am I'm going to heal you, but making you progressive Like that's fun too in a sense that actually it's like a lot of our conversations do you revolve around that because you're kind of like because I'm like, cancel their denity. Um, And I do say that probably most weeks that someone's dead to me and they genuinely are like, I seriously mean the I know it's so exhausted for me. You can't come back from being dead to mean that that cafe Barista was nice cafe. Again that actually has happened, I haven't. There's a cafe near our work, and I have a feeling that they're in that, but she has no proof. I don't have proof. I just have like a few suggestions. And so you're like, they're dead to me. We're never going to that cafe again. But the coffee is really goodly put a little bit of brownie on top of the coffee. I do miss the brownie. And You're like, they're dead to me, and I'm like, we have no cold, hard evidence of this. You've just got a sneaking suspicions. I don't think their coffee is very good either. I like it anyway. See what I'm working with. Other places is better. This is tough out here. Sometimes the other place is better. Anyway, it is better, procolity, chocolity, no branny, a little treat. But yeah, like...

...we always come up against this way. You're like, oh, but about this like a person, and I'm like, they don't like but what you know, it doesn't matter, irrelevant. It's my perspective. I just think that everyone has value and that we really you think that everybody. I think everyone has something to give. Wow, that's quite something. Disagree obviously obviously. And I just think that there's like I think that the second that I stopped thinking that or that I like, I fundamentally think people can be fucking pure evil, and I think everyone has both in them. But if I'm going to look at the darkness first, like like this sounds so cringe, but like, what is that going to do for me? I allow you to release them into the wild and for them to be dead. I don't want to be everyone's friend, most people, but not everyone's, but I think that, you know, I want to see the good in people because that gives me an opportunity to maintain the fact that we can change the world. That's that's truly what I believe. That is interesting. That is very interesting because I feel like usually on a first um, first point of contact, I'm more like, oh, that seems like an okay. Person values a line and you're like, no, queen, no, it's very obvious, terrible, awful, And I'm like and I'm like, oh, well, I think that's a bit hush. And then fast forward like a month and I'm like, oh god, this is the thing. Okay, I stand by what I just said. Yes, but and you made the best point. So there's this particular person we're talking about, and I met this person twice and I was like, they're not good like, you need to back the funk away from that person, and Christian was like, no, why, I think they're really nice. It wasn't that positive, but I kind of said, like I didn't want to be their best friend. No, but you you liked them, You thought they had liked that. You thought the good outweighed you thought you didn't think they were malicious. I thought are malicious. Yes, yes, that's actually very accurate, and I thought like harmless but not my type of person woul probably quep at a distance. Yeah, And I was like, no fucking way to get get back, And turned out I was right. I'm always right and about I'm actually always right with a guy instinct about someone in the first reading, and then you accidentally wounded me, but in a complimentary way when you said and it's so accurate, you said it's because I had like a nice childhood. What you said, Yeah, yeah, you were like, I had a nice childhood, had so like I trust people at first, whereas I'm like the opposite. I read the plan, I'm like bad egg, bad Egg, bad egg, like straight away. But if I do trust someone, I trust them and then they have to break me down. So it's like I'm only giving out like ten trust, but I'm like either zero or a hundred straight away. I just decided in the first meeting whether you've gone or you're in. So interesting, it is so interesting. Well, I think that the quote came from it was also like guys we fund which is interesting? Am I talking about their stuff? Um? I think one of them said,...

...like, having a good childhood just means that you're disappointed and let down every single day. And so I'm like, that's quite accurate for me. Whereas I'm trying to find the good. Yeah, I'm always trying to look for the good, yes, whereas I'm take the good as it is and then I'm like, it's so bad. But I think in conclusion, um, I think that. Well, actually I was going to ask you have there has there been a time in recent memory when you were like introducing one friend to another friend and you were like, oh, no, these people are going to hate each other, or like not even hate, but like worried that one person one party was going to say something that the other party perceived too problematic. Has it happened in recent memory? No? Interesting because you don't care what they say, or because you think that they're everyone's aligned. I'm actually never worried about the problem element. I'm just worried about the vibe the vine because I trust that all my friends would um like and I trust that my friends know each other in a sense because I'm someone who like with my close friends like they all know of each other um and I trust that they would know enough about each other without meeting to know what like how to be um and not saying that anyone's problematic, but I just think that, like I love my friends to except where I talked about them a lot, and so I think they I know who to introduce to each other, I know who would mesh well. But sometimes when there's like two worlds colliding like a menie friends or school friends or something, I only have a worried like these people represent different parts of my life and maybe different stages of who I am. And sometimes when you when I introduced two separate groups of people to each other or two separate people that representative of that, it bothers me because I feel like I don't know what to do with myself and that's like a weird identity flip. And then I walk away being like who was I in that and who were those people to each other? And it makes me feel on edge. What if you found out that two of your friends who didn't know each other had met at some other thing that you weren't at um, I'd probably be like, but not for the problematic element again for the vibe, because that has happened. Like when I lived at college, we had like exchangeings every semester and sometimes exchange from the same school, and I'd be good friends with both of them, and then they'd go back and they'd be in America and they'd meet each other, and I'd be like, oh my buck, saying to me, that's safe because it's like so far so, but it's out of your control. Yeah, yeah, what about you? Is is that a particular particular thing you're thinking of? No, I can't think of one. I feel safe in the fact that I do know who I am to each of those those people, and don't I think I try to give a lot of the pie out basically, So I'm not never that stressed. But I can understand why other people would be like wanting to keep really strict boundaries. Yeah, I think for me, and like the point that we're making about like you know, out of circle friends. For me,...

I'm like, well, that person is not my friend. They're just like in a group that I'm in kind of, and I'm not really in a friendship group. But like sometimes there's like people who come with other people in like an extended group setting. I suppose that I'd be like, well, they are around and they're problematic, but I that they're not my friend at all. I know we're trying to wrap up a bit, but something that always in these situations it gets to me is like I sort of feel like an additional responsibility because of cheek. Like sometimes I'm like, am I responsible for this person like this, like who I'm hanging out with and things because I have this platform and like and this voice and I'm so willing to be so aggressive about my takes online. And then I get into like, this is so funny. On Saturday, we had a party at my house at the AFL and the men's two of my friends were meeting my housemate and one of my best friends not you quick and I would ever go to a man's NFL party anyway. That we all had a few beers and then it was I was actually hilarious, but I was also like a classic. My housemate was like making a joke to my friend and saying, I love what Hannah does where she will tweet a bunch of memes being like fuck the football, fuck it, and then she'll get home back We're watching Origin tonight. So funny at the time, like everyone was cracking up with like classic want a bitch sort of thing, like she's such a trader on her own views. But like at the time it's so funny. But then I sit there and I'm like, holy funk, I'm awful. I think it's for me. It's the opposite, because it's like, especially on the podcast, I'm always like and then I feel like if people, but it's mostly it's just cheak people or like and maybe people who meet like from extension, but they know they know who I am from cheek already, but we don't actually know in real life. I'm kind of like, are they because I'm not is not me in real life? Not being on the podcast is not me real in real life, like our conversations one on one or not even like we are on the podcast, because it's it's a performance. Still, yeah, it's still accurate. Our opinions are the same thing, but it's a different You know, when you're like you're switched on and you leave something and you feel exhausted, it's kind of like that, you just know you're putting something extra. Yes, So sometimes they do think when people have like no of me through cheek, especially for the podcast, and they meet me in real life, I think I wonder. Sometimes I don't really care what they think, to be honest, but I do wonder if they think, oh, she was very quiet. Yeah, but they know you're like, I think that those things aren't separate. Like you can mean an introvert, you can in a one on one conversation in a private room being this person. Yeah, Like I think that to not to be surprised by that is to have no critical thinking. True. People probably do know because I talk about being an introvert all the time. The thing. The other thing is if it's just me on my own, I would be different because like, so we...

...met someone at Pride too, people out Pride who was in the podcast, shout out, shout out. It was really nice. It was really nice, and you like, because you know that I'm in and it's not that that doesn't actually make me uncomfortable at all, But I know that carry the conversation. I'm just like hello, thank you, and I'm like another person's like I just didn't want to talk as much. I actually you just want to say, that's not what they did. By the way, it's just a joke. But if it was just me by myself, I would carry it more. But yeah, if it's if it's both of us, I'm kind of like, this one's on you. It's gonna hang. Yeah, but I know that, and I'm like, here's my role. Yeah, CEO John said would and it's like, here's seventeen thoughts that just happened. Thank you too much. Stop it didn't mean that is an insult. No, it's not an insult. It's accompliment. Okay, bye bye bye. If you didn't find us a completely insufferable come back next Wednesday for a new episode. You could also find us on Instagram at cheek Media Co. Or online at cheek media dot com. Dott you, Yes, that's the one. That's the one.

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