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92. The queen is dead but racism isn't


In this episode, we're talking about the queen's death, Australia's response to it. and the vitriolic racism that's very much alive and well in this country.

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Hello. I'm Christin Parisonato and I'm Hannah Ferguson and where co founders of Cheek Media Co. This is the Weekly Cheek Podcast. Before we start this podcast, I'd like to acknowledge that we are recording on stolen and unseated land of the yager and durable people here in my engine. Welcome back to the Weekly Cheek. Welcome, Welcome, all right. Obviously we're talking about the coin today. Is that obvious? What else would we talking about? There's nothing else to talk about. They would know because it would be called something The title of the pot so true. Forget about that little little maybe we'll call it something else for fun, a trick to a little trick. You don't know what you're getting into. Um. And she has died in case yea to multiple weeks ago, and can I just say the day that she died. I remember us having this conversation the morning where we were like, let's just not touch it, let's just not touch the story. And then by the end of the first I was like, we're strap your sALS, like we cannot refrain from this. Yeah, like it's probably one of the biggest world events. We'll see it. I can't believe in the media company. We were like, let's just leave it. I think we just didn't really we didn't not say anything because we didn't want to. We kind of didn't say anything as a as a deliberate move. Yes, And I think especially on the first day, because that's when the emotions are most high. And I think again, something that we always try to focus on is not breaking the news and like just sitting in it for a few days, seeing what everyone has to say, and then trying to offer perspective within those perspectives and take a new ground. Yes, I think we did. Also. I think that I just I saw a lot of First Nations people posting about it, and I was like, I'd prefer to hear what they have to say. I have to say, absolutely, And I think that something that I noticed that a lot of left wing and openly Republican politicians were saying in like tweets and things were like my condolences to those who knew the queen, but suck the monarchy kind of absolutely, And I think that that to me, I was like, it's so strange when people because obviously obviously there are criticisms which we're going to get into um of the monarchy, and people are using her death as a time to to raise those issues um and saying like they're saying things that like the you know, a lot of monarchists and like right wing people are saying that that's like horrendously inappropriate and like oh, you know, you know, she was very well loved blah blah blah. But I think that like something that we have to remember is that, I don't know, if this is a spicy take, probably not in our audience, is like there are only there's not that many people who actually know the queen, like in the in the grand scheme of things, if we are saying like, obviously, I don't think I think that a lot of people who are saying, um things about the queen that are negative are not necessarily deliberately trying to hurt the people who actually knew her. Like I think there's a bit of like I just think it's an interesting perspective. But then on by saying that a lot of people who knew her are also royal family who eat a lot of the same people, they also hate them. But also, like Charles isn't reading our tweets exactly exactly and that's the thing that I think when people are like, why you mean so rude and hateful, I'm like, you know that, like Prince Harry is not like didd Yeah. And I think I actually think that when we're talking about basically what's unfolded over the last few weeks, my commentary largely has not been about the Queen, and I think that's what something that's something that people fail to understand. I take it or leave it, I don't really care. I think our position is why do the Alan Jones and Andrew Bolts of this world and most white commentators in mainstream media have an issue or take particular offense to First Nations people not grieving and not mourning. And I think that's the question to be asked of the general public. I know that a lot of Australia and I think that the Queen is more of a symbol, and she is a figurehead, but I...

...think she just symbolizes a period in world history, and so for a lot of people, it's just like a weird attachment thing, right, like a celebrity. Yeah. Um, And I think that that's what people struggle is. But what concerns me most is this inability to perceive the experiences or perspectives of others. I don't really give a funk if you want to privately mournan the Queen, I could undersend it for First Nations person. Does give a funk if you do. But like again, my mom called me on the morning the Queen died in tears about it. So that's like the family upbringing that I have. But versus like why why? And fuck the chair is gone? Um? Something that really gets to me about this whole experiences when we see like when we posted our article about the queen, right, and it was basically saying like exactly what I've just said. You know, why can you not perceive the experience of the First Nations person? And why can you not understand why they wouldn't be morning and grieving this person? Why would they not be mourning and grieving the figure that represents you know, colonization, perialism and the violence and just the classism, the shep you eat the rich vibes? Right. My problem is when we posted that, I knew what was going to happen. We would lose hundreds of followers and we and we did. We gained more. Goodbye and good riddance good anyone who takes who is like the fact. I guess the thing for me is like, even you are a monarchist, like I just don't understand how you can take some like people sharing their feelings and experiences as such a personal attack. And the other thing to know that I'm always so aware of is that like if we were First Nations create if we were First Nations, people who wrote that article, or if someone First Nations wrote that article, they would get so much more shit we would because people can take a little bit more from otherwise. So funny, like in the comments, so many people were like I'm following. I literally commented by this isn't the airport and no need to announce your departures. Um. But here's the thing that I think is really vital to point out. And I'm not saying these experiences are exactly the same, but I think everyone needs to get their fucking ship together and listen to this. Scott Morrison. The entire last two years, right every woman was begging for men to understand the Me Too movement. We were begging for men to vote on behalf of us, to give a shit about our rights, to give a shit about her, she's and give a shit about everything we were complaining about about sexual violence in this country. When you know Grace Taymon, Brittaan Higgins came forward, you know, these are vital conversation to be having. And all we wanted was for men to understand to some some extent what we go through every day, right, and then these are the same women. Yeah that when a First Nations person says, I actually don't really care that the Queen's died because of what she represents to my people and the suffering that we've endured, and the violence and the racism and what we go through every single day in this fucking country. And it would be really nice if you if you gave a understand or just at very minimum respected my opinion on that, to respected the fact that I do not feel for this person, and what do they do? What do these women do? I'm following it's a disgrace about a nineties six year old woman's death to the extent that you do not care about the humanity of a First Nations person and their ability to speak freely about their perspective and their own experience, it is fucked. That is white feminism to a t and it just goes to show that women, a lot of women in the feminist movement care about women, and that's it. That is where it extends. That's where their progress and their views and their care extends to. You don't see them sharing their ship to that fucking Instagram story women who look like them. It absolutely riles me up because I just think, like, and I know, like through cheeks, every time we share something that's a women's issue that white women can get behind, it goes so much better when we talk about refugees, when we talk about First nations issues, you know, like it's such a particular audience that that extends to. Like, if your feminism does an extent to be intersectional, it's not...

...feminism. And this is the perfect example of that. If we're losing hundreds of followers, and I don't give a funk about that, but I think it's such a good point, like why do you only care about a view that mirrors your own or an experience that mirrors your own? And why can't you just absolutely respect and recognize that someone else might not want to get on their hands and knees for Lizzie exactly. Some of the comments on some of the other posts that I that I read, um like by first name post by first nations people, or just like more general commentary. What was that accounts future women? Future women? They posted they posted your Women and was like these really graphics with quote from Queenlans but the second they were like gab us clean and the quotes were really average, and like the comments were like what the funk? Like every comment was like why would you do this? And then they doubled down and did more, and I was just like, it's just funny because they're claiming to be like, especially future women, like your entire branding is like looking into the future for the women's movement. Yeah, like, I'm sorry, but on so many Queen Elizabeth's sake, it is not a future. She first of all, is dead and segnals just sucking ninety six years old. And again, like I think that this is the tangent that's going to go into like we're going to talk about what happened with Caitlin mirand the NRLW player. But I think that what it comes back to is we don't we don't care if you feel a bit sad in private, Sure you have that. I care a bit. I care a bit, but like just do it privately, get over that. But to negate or undermine or disrespect the opinion of someone that differs from you, and that's the thing, like I can't say you have to respect, but as white women, like fun is it my place? You know what I mean? Like am I? Well? I think the thing that the difference is like that, what actually what actually has the monarchy done for what particularly if we're saying Australians for white or Nonindigenous Australians, Like what value do we actually get out of the queen? She's like, she doesn't apply to us in real life. We all that happened. The only kind of relationship we have with with her is she's like this really like obscure type of celebrity. And I mean obscure as in like not a celebrity celebrity, Like she's just kind of like a weird figurehead that actually has no bearing on our day to day life. And so I just really struggle to understand. Sorry. And then on the flip side, obviously, for First Nations people, the queen and the monarchy and the crown all represent like violence, genocide and oppression of their people ongoing. By the way, this is like not just in Captain Cook's day. Um, so I just don't really understand why, like I think it can it only goes the one way. Like I really don't think, like any first nations people need to even give an ounce of thought to the fact that maybe a white Australian would be a bit side that that the Queen has died um because of that oppression and the fact that she actually the crown actually has nothing to do with us. No, absolutely, and and like drawing back some critical thought won't go straight here do you think? And I know this doesn't have to do with the death of Queen Elizabeth, and you can, you know, have your little feelings, but like, do you think in the sovereign head of state in Australia was there by birthright in this nation? Do you truly biss democratic? And you may you may come back at me and say, but you know, they don't really have power, you know that until they use it, until they try exactly have a fucking I just I just think be aware of these things. I think critically, think critically about the amount of taxpayer dollars in the UK at least that is spent on that family, on maintaining their excess wealth, their properties, their castles. Think about how that money could be spent elsewhere. Think about that what that system represents. I just think that anyone who is willing to defend or... UM ahead of the commonwealth that is literally there by birth, that is fucking concerning to me. I just think it's a celebrity cult thing and we're just too afraid to dismantle it because it's it represents such a huge part of history. But and I know that it's like practically that I have power republic all the practicalities of that, it isn't. But also, um, I would highly recommend everyone reads Stand Grant's piece in the A b C from last week on this. It's fucking brilliant UM. And I think that it points to the fact that everyone from Anthony Alban Easy down has literally said, um, it's not an appropriate time to discuss X, Y and Z, whether that be a republic, whether that to whether whether that be to listen to first nation's voices and their feelings on the issue. You know, and I understand that people like Anthony Alban Easy and I can I can totally respect the fact that you do have to attend the funeral, you do have to do all of those things. I don't have no critique of that, to be honest, because you know, if you're in that position, you do the same. But there is space to say, this is the perfect time for the conversation. This is the perfec time to start moving towards the republic conversations, because this is the time where we're being absolutely blasted by media propaganda. The ABC's coverage has been fucking embarrassing for the last two weeks. Every single thing I've seen is like, what will the Corgies do? Now? Who gives a fuck? What will do they don't know she's dead. I don't care. I don't care about the body language experts looking at Megan Marcole fucking taking two steps. I don't care that Harry held megan'sand I don't care that the kids were well behaved. I don't care about whether Camilla is liked or not. I do not give a fuck. Why do we give a funk? This is just Kardashians in a different fucking way. And if you can't see that, you're blinded. Wow, I didn't going to get consider that. I was like, Mom, it's okay at seven day am on the Friday morning, It's okay, my my undessential is important in your life. Um, if you he's a little little tidbit. If you still like when you're talking about how the Queen actually does have the crown does have power in Australia, like they queen got rid of golf with them, so that wasn't that long ago exactly. And also if you if you think the Queen is like a very nice lady, blah blah blah, she could have got rid of Scott Morrison, she fucking didn't. So you have to say about what did you say about that she she could have done something. I actually, you know what, no comment on the Prince Andrey stuff. We don't know where that money came from. Suspicious it was undiscrised came from Yeah, anyways, but that's the thing she like literally because a lot of people are like, oh, well, that wasn't her. It was like it happened so long ago. I remember there was this comment that I've read on Instagram and he was like, the Queen was negative sixteen years old when the Stolen Generation happened. First of all, that is completely factually inaccurate. And stolen generations are like the Soldering ration, what we like colloquially as the generation are like our parents age, they're like in their fifties. Um. But also there is continuing st stole generations. It's plural, um, and it's still happening. So that's just completely inaccurate. But if you don't, if you don't believe that she covered up things that are you know, so I guess like distance wise far away, and that she didn't have any impact on the genocide and like continuing oppression of First Nations people in this country then have to just have to think about the fact that she protected her son who is an alleged pedophile. Yet she apparently like hates Megan Markle, who's not an alleged pedophile. No, I don't think she. I think she likes her. She likes Megan, but she doesn't do anything about the fact that she knows. And this is what I mean. I think the entirety and people are going to slam me because I don't really care. Um. The one of the...

...things that has always pointed to about Queen Elizabeth the second is how she served like humbly and quite silently. And that's not to them anymore exactly. Um, And I get it, Like, I think the one the one point of sympathy I have for her is the fact that she wasn't she didn't choose her life, that she was thrust into it. But I and you know, it might be rich of me to sit here and say I wish she'd done more, But I wish she had. Yeah, she could have done something. I don't really think she I don't think and I don't think she wants to be a feminist s ycom but she isn't. Anyone who thinks she is. That is absurd. People are saying that, like what the funk you talking about? And if you call, if you like, if she was still alive and you went up and you were like, are you a feminist? She'd be like, oh oh, I wouldn't say that, Like, come on, get a great people. I just think, like, if you are so insecure and and and so lacking in the sort of execution of your beliefs that you are so threatened by another viewpoint about this, you really need to examine where that's sitting and uncomfortable. Um, and you want to move on? Sorry, During that week, Caitlin Moran, who plays for the Newcastle Knights in the NRLW, she posted on the day of Queen Elizabeth's death a story that was taken down within a few hours. Oh, I thought it was a tweet. No, it was an Instagram story. She tweeted this photo of Queilizabeth and was like a great day Uncle Luke's touring and this dumb dog died. God, is that all that all it said? Actually didn't see it the screenshots of it, but that's what I've heard on like multiple newspapers and radar people have explained that that's what it was. Had I thought it said more than that fucking Ray Hadley funk these fucking dinosaurs put them in the far fuck Anyway, he comes out and says that it's what Kitla Moran has written is the ind quotes most reprehensible thing he's seen ever connected to rugby league. That is embarrassing. And I think I tweeted at the time and said, does he know that rape and domestic violence are regularly connected to rugby league. Now Caitlin Moran has subsequently been She was suspended for one game, she was fined half of her salary, which a man in the same position would never be. That's fun. And also being suspended for one game in the nrl W is a fifth of the season right now. And she also has to undertake education course, which is so constand what that education course would look like. It's probably about like the values of the clan, what gamble, drink, hate the gaze, bash your wife pretty much, and homophobia. Sorry, racism, She's to be educated on racism anyways. It's like, and this is exactly what we're talking about, Like, it's funny that a woman's words and a critique of a figure can be literally described by a commentator as like the most reprehensive thing to be connected to a sport that is filled with the toxic culture. Why because women are held to a separate standard to men, to a higher standard than men, and they are brought down very, very easily and quickly by the men who were involved in the sport. And I think that it says everything about the way that men are driven to sort of degrade the reputations of women while subsequently building up and protecting the reputations of men in the same position. Like what I'm not saying that it would have been necessarily like extremely different outcome if it was a man. But two say that words on an Instagram post can even equite remotely to the other actions that take place off the field by men, is just it blows my mind. Yeah, I think it's more about the fact that she's First Nations for them, because because either the same week or the following week, all of the report came out from the Hawthorne Club about um like...

...racist behaviors from three paid like high up seeing or officials in the in the a f L, which like until a few weeks ago, I was like, the NFL is like worlds better than the n R. It still is. But that's what concerns me exactly. That's the thing. It's like we thought that was like that's sent to be the less scandalous one, um and like if you didn't hear about it. Basically, I think there were three First Nations players who mostly made these complaints um that came out in a report, and the report was only undertaken by an independent First Nations consultancy because there were claims of racism in the club. So this is just Hawthorne like club based. It's not like the AFL as a whole, because it seems like the clubs kind of operate pretty independently. Um. So there are three people whose names I don't know quite frankly, Alistair Clarks and Chris Fagan and someone else I don't know. The third was is that the one who was there, he was like a liaison person. The other two was head coach, and then Chris Fagan was the assistant coach. And Chris Fagan is now the coach of the Brisbane Lions. Yes, and then the other guy's a coach of something else anyway, name it was a liaison guy, remember liaison. I could worrying. I could just I could get it up because I think it's fair to name him because I wrote about it in my article Jason Bert. So basically they So we heard from the um. The investigation heard from three First Nations players that these three men had pressured them to separate with their partners and had pressured one of their partners to get an abortion when she found out she was pregnant. So it's giving modern colonization and it's giving stoleng generation. That's what it's giving. Thank you trying my bad, Yes, And I think that obviously I think that independent reviews need to be undertaken at every club and basically the whole of football until it's all destroyed invent to the ground. Um Yet, I think that the like main takeaway from these things, and the main takeaway from the fallout and like fighting that has come after, like following the Queen's death, is that we haven't really made that many we haven't really made any gains in the issue of racism in this country, Like it's still very much alive and well, and like I feel like a lot of people, um, Like I already knew that, but I think that it's just like another thing when it's so publicly in the media and people are so publicly commenting very racist things on social media sites, Like it's very concerning the amount of like comments. I actually got into a bit of a comment fight with a woman who's like fairly well known. Here's an influencer, Like, these people are making public comments about with like, if not outright racism, racist undertones, and just a complete unwillingness to even try to understand. And it's funny because I think that what this has highlighted over the last few weeks is just how performative. Our inclusion is like literally to see a particular game on the Friday of the Queen died, have a minute silence after the acknowledgement and welcome to country. What the funk went like? How many people did that go through? You know? And I think about these things where I mean, that's just I think that's just poor taste, right, But when we think about the way in which we accept and include and diversify, whether it be our workplaces. You know, everyone loves to hanging indigenous art in their officers, but who actually loves to pay the rent, you know, and actually contribute read, educate themselves, you know, call out do...

...the work that needs to be done and again the bare minimum work. Um, it's just ironic because I think that this event has been sort of cruel in highlighting the true division that exists in this country. And I think that it'll take a long time to shake. And what I mean is shake this like I think this has been. I cannot even imagine how inflammatory and triggering it's been for First Nations people in this country. And what I mean is I don't even mean shape like shake racism. I mean sort of calm the country back down to a more accepting space in the next few weeks. But also do these sorts of events give rise to true change when we recognize just how bad it is, or do we need to calm down and order to make change. Also the irony of the fact that we're probably in the next twelve months going to see a referendum on a first nation's voice to Parliament after this, it's just it's it's just I feel sick to my I'm like, I don't have faith in this country to vote well in that. UM. I don't know where we're sitting. I have no idea because the voices have been so loud of white people that are just so unwilling to see a perspective outside of their own. I think for me, it's not so much like about you know, an idea that like maybe after this like UM kind of blows over largely in the media, that it will be in a different spot. I think it's just highlighting what was already there. No, I know, but I think it we know, but I don't think everyone knows. No, but I think it's still there though. No, I know, but I think that this proves how willing people are to spit and spew such a vitriol at each other. And I think that while it's always there, it's not as aggressive and it's not as conflict like willing to engage in conflict. I think sometimes it's just things that are said on the slide, things that are said in home, things that are said in private spaces, And I think when it comes out and you see just how willing pop blood to engage in that sort of toxicity at a public level, I think it's helpful to actually see it because voting happens in private. Yes, no, I agree with you, But it's just like we can say that because it doesn't necessarily affect us as well. And I'm not saying it doesn't affect first stations people all the time, but to be on the receiving end of that for like such an intensive period like it would be just exhausting and stress. Yes yeah, um, but I think that there is like there is something to be said like for or like personally as a UM woman seeing the stuff like come out from you know, like Britney Higgins for example, like the camera bubble stuff. Um, even though it was like horrendous, I personally found it. Obviously I'm not telling anyone that they need to fulfill this as well. But I personally found like a bit of like obviously horror and disgust, But there was like a part of me that's like, well, at least me, No, I suppose it's like, no, I agree, so because I think there's like I don't know, it probably just depends on what kind of person you are. No, I totally agree. Yeah, I think it's like it's helpful to put it on display and be like, this is exactly what we're talking about. Yeah, it's like knowing your enemy. I guess, like you need to know what they're saying, and there is like we can gain something from them saying it publicly and out loud. Um. But the other thing is it's not just these commentators. No, it's not everyone. Yeah, it's like people you work with, or your family, or your friend who you thought was like progressive who says something problematic. Like, it's not just the Allen Jones, which I think is the worst bit. They're everywhere. They're everywhere. If you didn't find us completely insufferable, come back next Wednesday for a new episode. You could also find us on Instagram at cheek Media Co. Or online at cheek media dot com. Donate you Yes, that's the one. That's the one.

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