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58. Could Peter Dutton be our next Prime Minister?

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In this episode, we talk about the reality TV-level drama going on in federal politics right now. Gladys Berejiklian, Barnaby Joyce, and possibly Peter Dutton have been caught sending mean texts about Scott. Who leaked the texts? Will we see a leadership spill in the Liberal Party? We frankly have no idea, but we're talking about it.

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Hello, I'm Christ and Parison Otto and I'm hard a ferguson and where co founders at Cheek mediac this is the weekly Cheek podcast. Do you believe there will be a leadership's bill before the election? What everyone knows. He fucking wants a job. He's like snape, wanting the defends against a done guy. That's a very funny and then Bob Wow fully stunds podcast. I would like to acknowledge that we are on stolen land of the Yago and Turabile people hearing me engine or Brisbane, and acknowledge that sovereignty was never seated. Welcome back to the weekly cheeks. Welcome. Feel the different vibe today. I do. I do too. I think it's because it's we're recording on the day we're releasing yes, which is a weird kind of pressure. We never do that breaking the news. By that I mean breaking our opinions at relevant time. And it's also nine hundred and twenty five. So if anything comes this afternoon, we've already been up for hours and you're always up really early, but I'm not so like us. Starting at nine hundred and twenty five is like absurd. It's crazy, crazy queen. have an I've an e in one breakfast. I've eaten zero things. What weird. I usually don't need to lunch time. You know this, yes, I do, but I don't. It's still shocks me every time. Yes, so, Peter, done, done. What are we going to talk about? What's happened lately? So, anything? So the Texas has Texas? This is this is someone commented. So I wat an article for Cheek Media Code. You can check it out on Instagram, about like the people. kind of like a retort, I guess, to the people who were like, the texts are not relevant. MIAMI, talking about the tanks. Well, well, I put up a pole on Sunday asking why people if people said no, the text weren't relevant. Why? And I think we got at least a hundred people messaging our account about why they believe the text aren't relevant. and to some extent I can understand. I can understand why someone would like and,...

...for example, were and what we discussed in the article as well was when, initially pvo got up at the National Press Club and, you know, reveal these texts between a senior cabinet minister and Gladys. We were both like, oh, that was really nasty. Yeah, and it was. And the first time I watched I was like lull and then when you came in you were like, I have a confession, something about it, and I was like no, and we do. It's not that I'd feel like oppaul Scott, but I do it. It's one because I don't like Peter Van Oncelin and even part of it for me, well, it's I think for me it's the way that he delivered. It was so nasty. Do you know? It was weird the with the thing that he felt the need to be like well, speaking of your friend Maurice Pain, yeah, what about your other friend? Like it's just like to say it's just say it, Bro I mean, I I think that if you had information like this, it is there is value and revealing it. And I think that people who say that these text message are these text messages are a distraction, that's not wrong. That's not correct, because I think that if you're the premister the country and you think a good distraction is getting the N A former premier to call you a horrible, horrible man and, you know, a Psychoa, that's not a good distraction. That is and I know a lot of people also replied to our story, and I'm not I'm not saying this is wrong, I'm just I'm adding my two sets to the discussion, because we get paid the big box. Yeah, the big box here. A year a lot of people came out and said, you know, everyone bitch is about colleagues. It's not the same it's seeing the same thing. I'm sorry, it's not. He's the fucking prime minister now. Everyone's colleagues literally affect the entire running of the nation. Also, like, I don't call my colleagues psychos. No, social'T in text. No, I just especially to it. Like I think that if I was an elected official, a public...

...figure, that I probably would still send messages that would be regrettable if they were to come out into the public sphere, but I think that at the end of the day, like you need to be hyper aware of what you're saying at all times because you have been elected this position, and that you need to be aware that people will backstab you and bring the shit out all the time. Yeah, and I just think that, like, if we've got these texts, what else exists? But also the fact that we've got the deputy prime minister, a formerly South West Premier and a former minister all in one week coming out and saying, echoing the exact same sentiment about the current fucking leader of this country. It matters. Yeah, it matters to to form a prime ministers. It's just the one was in his party, so it's particularly dotting. Yes, Colonel Mustard knelt in the drawing room. The other thing is it's just like for me, and I know obviously I get it, Pevo did it in that setting to like for effect, but I just think that there was just something about watching him have to react to that in real time, like films live by like a billion cameras in front of every relevant person from the press. I was just like, I have no time for Scott Morrow. So I think that this stuff is important still, but if it was a any Labor prime minister, I know how I would respond to that and it would be why do they do that in that way? So it's not it's not even about that. It is about what I'm saying. Is He that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm saying that if it was the other side, I would happily admit that I felt bad right. So why can't I do that this situation? Because we don't, because because he's not a figure or a person that we feel we should feel bad for. No, but I don't generally know. But it's just in this moment. Yeah, I felt empathy. I think that maybe, like, I guess, a kind a way to expose the text would be like in a news story on life something. I just I don't know why. He had that weirdly smug nervous look on his face. You look quite nervous...

...and I thought he was wounded, but then I thought he if he is all of the things these people describe him as. Why should I feel that way? Because he liked why should we trust what fucking gladys and like? Maybe Peter doesn't have to say I'd that's just they're not credible sources. Yesterday are gladys is a credible source. I trust glads throw dually more than I trustcott Morrison by far. Yeah, but how? But is that a good man? I think she has a much better opinion and her opinion holds a lot more weight in my my eyes. That's got Morrison's does. Yeah, I mean I guess I'm trying. I'm like in a weird position on this, because I do definitely think it's I think what's relevant about it is there's cracks in the party. Yeah, and how can we have a government that leads when they can't even and however you say yeah, yeah, but in terms of like what she actually said, like, sorry, I don't care what gladys has to say. I find it more relevant that Barnaby called him a liar. No, I think both are relevant because I think that Barnaby's I mean, while they are a coalition, there is a difference there. He is a nat, Scott is a liberal. Yeah, but I mean, and that's the thing, is they always they're not always try to make sure that people know that they are, that they are different. I mean to be honest, I just think Barnaby Joyce is a fucking idiot because he's sent this text like tea. My understanding of what his text message was was he texted it to someone to pass on to Britt Higgins. That'd take extit Britney. He can. No, no, it was let be h know this from Barnaby and then a paragraph that was like Scott is all these things, and I was like, you're a fucking I I don't think he would care if it got if it was released, though will clearly. I mean he offered his resignation to the wrong person exactly. It was just a publicity stuff. Oh, absolutely. But I mean, and this is the we're getting into the degrity of it all, I think, and what we think about these individual things. But I think the reason that we give a shit about this and adding weight to it is because, at the end of the day, it's a lot of people who know this this man very personally in a work sense, but I've known him for a long, long time.

Yeah, he's leader of the country and they are in prominent positions as other leaders or formal leaders of the country. Yeah, so, like their interactions are important and their opinion holds weight regardless. So I think that to say it's distraction or it's just like what colleagues talk about. You know, I think that's bullshit. I think it's so important. It might not be the best news story of the week, but it's still something we should paying attention to. The thing for me is I don't care about what the text contain. Like they have already been enough people who have come out and told US exactly who's got Morrison is, and anyone who's got their eyes open can see for themselves. Like even people like Malcolm Turnbull has been saying this stuff for ages. Yeah, and he in my opinion, as a credible source like you, could argue that only he's just scorned by the Liberal Party lover, but it's so I don't care what they call him. I do care. I think that what Barnaby said matters, particularly because it to me it indicates that Scott and Barnaby had knowledge of what happened to her. Interesting, but I thought they already I thought that was already, like, no, somewhat confirmed, allegedly, if you this is what I mean, though, and I think that this adds to the pile of evidence. Yeah, I guess I just didn't have any question to be saying that legend man like earnestly, like collects lies and turns them into like his own truth sort of thing. Is such a specific reference. And if Barnaby communicated this like, I think there's an indicator that he knew, or Scott knew, and while that's not a hundred percent confirmed, and I am also alleging things here, those texts indicate part of the bigger picture in terms of a time that happened and realizes that's got Morrison put forward to this country basically when me too is breaking. Yeah, like, I think that's crucial. I think and and while I again I say I value that his opinion pos more like I'll he's so awful, right was I think, Honasy, that adds to if you can roberate something more, I think, yeah, no, you're probably right. I guess I just didn't have any doubts before that. No, for me it wasn't that like and relevant. Actually think that people aren't taking that away from...

...the Barnaby text. What I think it's important that we do look at that aspect because it looks like an admission or corroboration of something. Yeah, fishy going on and it doesn't confirm necessarily, but I think it adds to the pile of evidence and I think that that's important and it might turn a few heads for that reason and that's a yeah, yeah, well, I hope it does. All right. So Done Dutt has been the keys by former New South Wales Premier and Labor leader, but car and he was also the form of Federal Foreign Min stock that's right. And Josh Friedenberg told him that he was a waste of set on you the news, that he was a waste of space while in the role, and he said that he was suffering from relevant deprivation syndrome. That is fucking my eye. That's nasty. Share. I've gone I and they say Sager, but like, let's see, Bob Calm, like, I haven't really heard much about him recently. So, besides these tweets, I don't really understand where that could come from, besides Josh just coming out swinging. Also, like Josh Friedenberg, sorry, but you're pretty irrelevant given your role. Yeah, like he should be like out there. Yeah, like, in my opinion, this is like moving to our next point too far. That's make in my opinion, he is the pick for the if they do. Oh yeah, this is happening, s bill, about eight pm on Sunday night, Bob car has tweeted. Should I read it? Yet? Really read the tweets. Read it, tweet and he's kept them up too. Yeah, well, they're up as of Tuesday morning. Yeah, it's been a whole like thirty six hours since his first tweet. Bold. Okay, so I just love this I love how certain he is when reading this. So six PM on Sunday night, Bob Car tweets the minister who shared the texts vent Onsolin, and gave permission to use it, was Peter Darton. Scandal. If PM Morrison has one...

...more week in free for the prospect of a leadership change pre election is real. Party rules don't count if most MP's think you will lead them to defeat. Wow, wow, that's not in the tweet. I just did that. Then Dutton has come back and said that Bob cast tweet is baseless, unsure and should be deleted. Yeah, and then Bob Wowow doubled down seven hundred and fifty nine am Monday morning and said only oh, sorry, but like, let's just really give this a moment, because this is just like I twitter the day, like politics is better than reality TV. Why the fuck have we been taught all our lives that this is boring? So try read this and I scream yeah right, you announced this to me with Glee. With Glee I was like, Oh, you gotta do he winning is eight am, which is thirty one minutes ago I was breaking. Okay, only one way Peter Dutton can win his case, get another colleague to admit that they were the source for comments about the prime minister. If not you, Comma, Mr Dutton, coma, which of your colleagues question mark until then, who has most to gain from undermining further a flailing pm down? Aren't Oh wow, wow, wow, wow. That is so excellent. Rights and also, like, I mean, I know, like politicians don't have to be smart, obviously, but I just think that the fact that those tweets have stayed up this far and like, imagine all the people he has advising him. Like, I know he's not a current sitting MP, but I know, but imagine all the people who come out of the would work and be like you better fucking delete that unless you have. Oh, this is this is exactly my point too. I'm sorry, but why would you tweet unless you were rock solid? Exactly? And another journalists come out and said that rob cast told her that he's a rock solid source in the media, and that would lead me to presume the sources P devent on Slin.

I just don't think he would tell him, you don't know, true, protect his sources. Someone would know. Someone else must, but my feeling of this is, and I we are not in Canberra in the little bubble. My feeling is that this is probably a very public secret. My feeling is that there'd be hundreds of people in these political spheres who fucking know. I just have thought this is all alleged. Obviously. Mate, what if the source, whoever it might be, went to a different journalist first and they were like no, and then he went to Pvo, a possible because that's another way to get a rock solid but I believe that the leak was the texter. Yeah, so you're saying that the leak. So like, if it's done, he's gone someone else first. Yeah, wouldn't he go to pvo first? Who would don't go to but PVO is trying to be like bit centrist kind of thing and I think dotton at this stage has like not ruled out taking legal action against Bob. Well Dutton sued and there's an appeal happening at the moment. Donton sued a refugee activist over a six word tweet that was deleted. Yeah, so I just okay, this is shame bads very it's a very controversially to say, but my view on it is if dont't didn't send those texts, he better take legal action. If you sent the text you would sue immediately or you would basically lodge like a season desist. Yeah, Ryan, but don't likes to sue people who were like small fish, because you know how so so, Shane Bazi, the refugee activist who got sued, accused Dotton of being a rape apologist. Do you know who else accused him of being a Rep apologist? Larissa waters? The yes, no, but she lived. The tweet two but he didn't go after her legally. I think he likes to go after the small fish. So it is there is a chance that he wouldn't actually soupob car, but also BOBCA. Obviously has not been intimated and hasn't deleted the tweet, but I just think that this does so much more damage. This not tweeting.

No, no, the tweet that Bob car, because I think that sueing Shane is it shame Basi. Yeah, that brought that tweet to the forefront. Yeah, like again, small fish. MMM, BOB car. That is doing so much damage to Darnte at the moment. That that's the thing that so so you saying that the reason, the fact that he's not sued yet indicates that it's true. Yeah, I agree. I just think that, like if we're looking at the concept of defamation, which is that someone is, you know, chimeshing your reputation through something that is untrue. Yeah, that's the thing, not an activist whose tweetings like their personal opinion. Yeah, right, and I get rape pole just all bad, right, but I just think that if someone's coming out and saying you're going to try and challenge the prime ministership and you've sent these fuck off text and lead them to the press and that's the tweet, that's basically the talk of the town. Yeah, why did I just say talk of the town? I guess. I guess because it's a secret. It's a bit harder. I don't know. I don't know much about information law. I just think, and I that's why I kind of like Bob's follow up tweet, which is, you know, well, if it's not you, who is it? Because the only way you're going to weak yourself out of this one is my getting the Corprit to confess exactly and basically done. His retort has been like it was a new South Wales person, which I don't think it was proof that it was. He was patronizing Laura tingle. Shoot, he was basically like, I know that you understand politics, Laura, so you'd know I'm from Queensland, like we fucking know, we live here, we hate it. I'm in his lattrit physically impeded that the lecture right right now. It's just horrible. Every minute around the street and I'm like, did you vote for him? Did you vote for him? Well, so it's a fucking massive lecture. Anyway. I won't get into the new begritty, okay, but it's very scary times here. Queen. So do you believe there will be a leadership's bill before the election? I really don't know. I think I will. I really really don't know, Mark, because this might have...

...this might have scared Peter done off if he was the one who tweeted at Toho, sent the text, and if he is planning to call the leaderships bill. If I much repeat what you just said, because I think about my point while you were talking. Said again. I just said that I don't know if this whole text scandal, assuming it was done, who texted and, assuming done, is planning to to call a spill. I wonder if that's this has scared him off? No, I think it's done the I got to be the opposite. I I think that if you are, if the leak is a senior cabinet minister in the federal government, the only reason for you to leak these texts about Scott Morrison before an election with the liberals are already looking pretty bad is that you want the job. But he was planning for them to be anonymous. Yeah, I think he was banking on that. But it's still a former liberal premier talking about the current Liberal leader at federal level. So, like, why would you do that unless you're trying to undermine him? Like what? Why would anyone in the Liberal Party want to undermine him? Yeah, but I don't think he wanted to ever be named as the person who you know. But that's that's aside of the point for me. For me, I think that that might have changed things. All you're saying that because he's going to be named, he won't spell. Yeah, so what my thought is that he was intending to leak the tech. Okay, allegedly, Baba, assuming that it's done. Pretending it's done. He was like I'm gonna leak these sneaky texts and then I'm gonna attack with leadership spill. But then it was like, oh no, now everyone thinks that I actually sent the Ted sent the text and length the text. Maybe I won't do that. That's what I think. Well, I think that what his view now might be is it he'll come up against a problem with like say, so, you're done right now and you sent these texts and you know it. Wow, I'm scared. It's just your PBO and Bob Guy who knows it. Yeah, and the rest of the fucking country. That's anything. I don't see a gladys and Peter Dutton.

I do ex chain. Peter Dutton sent a text message calling Samantha Maiden, who the right up a News Corp, a witch and he sent it to her. What not this no, so he meant to send it to somewhat like another, another minister or journalist, calling her like a witch or like. It was awful the text. It was just like a mean and then, because he was talking about her, he sent it to her because he's a fucking idiot. Oh my God, that's so sad that. I wonder if you did on purpose and then acted like he didn't mean. But, but, but. What I mean is like, I don't see the DOTTON and very g clean friendship. Here's the thing. I think we'd be very surprised by what goes on to these people's lives. Yeah, great, and I think they all know each other and they all have each other's phone numbers. HMM, they text, journalists, they background against each other. Like. I think we'd be very like. It would be shocking to know how deep these tires run. Yes, these people have all worked together for decades even we just don't see Dutton. I'm gladys, you know, spoiling your photo, but you know she's gone. I can imagine at least everyone texting her like because, sorry to hear you're allegedly corst Oh, come to say that. I've never seen you react to something that I said in the podcast like that. WHOA, I'm just gonna BEAP it out. Okay, I'm not the no one will know. Never know. We'll be like white. How his face? Do that? Okay, so my view on what you see me on the street. I'll say to your face if I'm actually really worried, this going to be Leigh, this afternoon before the pod gets released, but signs that it'll like to be this week or next. HMM, because it's sitting weeks. I think that's when everyone comes together for today, Sam First Day. We're going to look religious discrimination bills gone through this afternoon. They've got lovely piece for relaxing. Two three months. I'M gonna have ten sitting days before the election. Between January and May, they're going to have ten potential sitting days. So if he's going to spill it, there's a strategy. They're right. Yeah, I think my view is that Dutton...

...is as likely as Scott Morrison to be re elected in May. I but I've just betting on it being way. HMM. I've changed my mind since yesterday and know what we'll get into this. I haven't actually, but I get what you're saying. So you've lied. Fuck say. My third my other opinion is Friedenburg, if he was to engage in this spill as well. If he won, I think he's the most likely to lead the liberals to victory. Agree. That's my entire opinion, but apparently his seat is up questionable. Yeah, if he was lead of the Party, I don't think it would be questionable. Do you know that he was? It was his electorate where they did those fake elector commission signage, the legal ones. Yeah, really, yeah, Yaikes. So what happened was there was an electorate or that had quite a few pockets of Chinese communities and who they were catering to in quotations. So when you go up to the polling booth, as like everyone's paraphernalia and it's usually in their colors and it has to be authorized by the person in charge, and there is also like signage that's official signage for the Electra Commission and it's their colors are white and purple, and the Liberal Party made a signage written in Chinese, in white and purple, so that it looks like official instructions, but it was actually telling Chinese people like basically instructing them how to vote, and it sounded like this was how you have to vote in order for it to be counted, but it was actually about putting the liberals like first. Yes, that was in Friedenberg's seat. Where is his seat? Is Your Victoria? I don't know. I think so. Yeah, because we looked through them. No one gets about him, but I think that the public find Dutton is perceived as being this...

...sort of different kind of evil. Yeah, I think that Scott is perceived as use as, whereas doneness perceived as being like bad. Yeah, and I I think that, while I think that they have to spill it to have a chance, I think that it can't get any worse. But but also you could say the other way around, like people are not going to vote the men if there's been instability this close to the election. I know, but I I think it would be perceived by liberal voters who are on the fence right now, as like they're looking for some stability. I'm like, after this leader that's failed. Yeah, party, I think it's I think that Morrison is so unpopular amongst liberals and lefties are like, I'm some there's a lot of people involved in this. I think that even liberal voters acknowledge Scott is used. As I I don't think there's many people who apologize for him or excuse him. I think most people will say like, Oh, I'll still vote. If you're voting liberal, I don't know where your heads at, but I think that a lot of of get hell, normal liberal voters are switching sides right I have to believe that. I mean I think it's a lot of our parents, like I'm you know, I'm talking my mom. She's for going to vote later for the first time since I've been alive. Yeah, you know, that's in my mind. That's where it comes from. I think that if Friedenburg was in the top job, those people might revert. Yeah, maybe not my mom though. Come on, mum, got this. But I think that if done was in power, I don't think I especially the quiet women that's got. Morrison looks too for the liberal vote. Yeah, I don't think that Dutton would send them back to liberal voting. No, or but men. See, I don't know the stats on how many men and all these sorts of things. I just think that Australians Peter Dutton is not more popular and Scott Morrison, but Josh Friedenburg would be. We don't know enough about Josh Riding Back's the thing. He hasn't done anything bad yet. No, he has, and we...

...know that because we're old on it. But it's the kind of Shit that people don't care about. Yeah, to be honest, it's because he's talks about. Well, the good thing, the thing that Friedenberg has like in his court, I guess, is the fact that the liberals are known for the economy incorrect and like they're they're selling this psych propaganda narrative that they are good for the economy and he is the treasurer. Yeah, so I think that would work in his favor. Yeah, but I just the thing for me is like I can't predict it, because they would know. They would be weighing up the danger of like looking and stable as far up from the election and to doing the whole like clean slate, like we've gotten rid of Morrison and now we're the new Liberal Party and we're just going to get rid of all of his failures. It's just shocking to me that if Scott Morrison makes it to this election, he'll be the first prime minister since John Howard to go a full term. So Sad. It's so sad because he's the least deserving of a full term. What about Albert? Well, we get back to this again. Got About it, but to be honest, I actually forgot about a but you forgot about his existence. Yeah, I was just like Kevin, Julia, Malcolm. They're all right, but the other thing is, speaking of Kevin is you know the all of did you see the clips that he he liked, think, tweeted, the men instagram them, probably on facebook as well, about like the Murdoch media kind of like seeming to be pumping Dunn's tires and yes, him ready. Yes, there's clearly conversations happened. That's why I'm it's I am certain there will be a spill. Yeah, my issue is how many people would vote in favor of Darton knowing that stutton would not be more likely than Scott to win the election, but also that it will add because they will be instability, there will be the perception of instability, which already exists m and it will be done like those two things might make him worse than Scott. Yeah, because the other thing is like he surely he's not going to call a spell unless he knows he has the vote. Just last time thinking he had to vote.

Yeah, but do you think that made none of these people? They all play their fucking cards close to their chest and they might lie to Ifath and so they'll vote fee and they won't. You got trust any of them, and dut more be particularly cautious because he has lost before and have this embarrassment yeah, that's that's the reason why I think maybe they won't call us. You will. I don't know, though, but now with the text thing, he'll know that he would lose votes. What people think? It's him. The thing that's Hilarious to me is by the end, like will this probably be like one week old and will know the outcome. Really, I know. I don't know who has. I don't know who Morrison has on his side. Alex Hawk, Amanda Stroker, but she's I don't know. I mean I think he's in the repray group. Of Fuck. Someone published a list, I saw, and she's been praying for a new prime minister while he's been praying for deep his job. So we don't know what happens in my prayers. We don't look. I think it's a really I think you we'd be surprised by how much backstopping goes on internally. Like literally Reading Malcolm Turmble's book, I was like, Holy Fuck, I wouldn't want to work with any of these people. Know also doing something awful that I read. So the ABC did this like Vox POPs thing, yes, where it's like what's one word to describe Scott Morrison? Oh No, that was full corners. That was really and I think I do know what you're talking about. Still, I think I email it it. He did that. He did like basically like work, like vox pops on the street, like what do you think? And someone literally said, and this like really brought me back down to Earth, sadly, was like Morrison clearly has religious values and family values. I think it was an older man, wasn't it? But said it. I thought it wasn't. I don't think he was that all of the no, sorry, he wasn't like ninety, he was like fifty. I thought he was a younger guy anyway, but I saw a few of them and too many were sympathizers. Yeah, it's shocked me the people could have that view. Yeah, exactly. So we need to say vigilant people. What are these people watch and listen to all day? Sky News. That's the critical thought work. But even Sky News. That if, like the guy who asked him about the bread, was from sky, that's...

...pretty bad. That is crazy to me. But also that's the murder for a spell, paring foot Dutton, peters dot war, in this case wider open. It was a couple of months about Peter doesn't gave a speech to the National Press Club. He was the guest speaker and that speech seems like preparation for leadership. Really what? Yeah, talk about? I try to ignore defense. He's a defenseman. Study was talking about Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, Oh, that's right, because he that's right. I was wondering what he's talking about aged care, but he wants to get the army into like fix aged care. Again, he's doing a lot of media for someone who doesn't want the job. I mean, he does whateverone knows. He fucking wants the job. He's like snape, wanting the defense against a done. That's a very funny turn to peach three hundred and ninety four. If you didn't find us a completely insufferable come back next Wednesday for a new episode. Could also find this on Instagram, at Cheek Media Co or online. Cheek Mediacom donated, yes, but fla, that's the one.

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