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Episode · 10 months ago

57. Why should Grace Tame have smiled?

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In this episode, we're talking about Grace Tame's recent meeting with Scott Morrison, after photos of her not smiling for the photo went viral and upset lots of fragile men all around the country.

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Hello, I'm Christen Parison Otto and I'm had a focus in and where co founders of Cheek mediac this is the weekly Cheek podcast. We do put we do tick tocks about politics, and then people like you're ugly. Why do you feel the need to insert yourself into the way? I'm existing for your benefit. Exactly. You wish that we couldn't vote, don't you? Don't you? Wow? Before we start this podcast, I'd like to acknowledge the rightful owners of the land that we're on today, the yeah, Goo and terrible people, and acknowledge that their land was never seated. Welcome back to the weekly cheek welcome. We've taken a week off accidentally, accidentally because we had covid, covid, and also I had thrush, just awful. Didn't know to share that. So we need to destigmatize this thrush. I've never had before. I'm real. I was really interested in your experience in a heavy detail. I could go into heavy detail and I will. It's not that interesting per se. I think it is, and that's terrible. It's also such an interesting word, thrush. It's gross. I like to call it Candida. It's less gross in my opinion, Candida, that sounds like baked beans, like some sort of I don't know why, some bake beans. That makes me feel sick now because I've been means got beans on the brain. I don't know why immediately went there, but it has this vibe. Anyway, go on, like a dish. Do you mean candid? It sounds like something you'd get at like a street food store. Hopefully not. I didn't think it. I don't know if it's closed way what you eat. Anyways, we're recovered, me mostly. That's rush is mostly gone. Shout out to my guy in ecologist. Shout Guy Kina. On a different note, today we're talking about the reaction to Grace Thames frown at the Prime Mini. Start Breaking News, people breaking freaking news taking not everyone smiles...

...all the time. It's so first of all, Hannah thought it was like photoshop or something. Well, what happened? I am on twitter all the time and I basically never am without my phone and I was looking at my phone and I saw this photo and it look like one of those photos where you've caught someone midlike blink or something. Yeah, and I only saw like it was a really grainy, like close up that someone shared and I only saw that one out of context and it was on the was on the toilet doing a shit and I was like fucking Loll and. I put the phone down and I was like away from the phone for like seven minutes. I said it too, and you're like yeah, Ol Bo, Blah Woa, and then I went back onto my phone and saw the daily odds had posted like the official photo of the Morrison's and Grace Haymond Max yeah, and I was like holy fuck and I got so upset because I had lagged seven minutes in potential thinking of meme time and that really frustrated me that I was like I've been taking this shit on my you know, like in my Mary, like wha land, another planet, like wasting valuable minutes, and I loved it. I loved it and then, realizing that it was a real photo, I was like, holy crap, and I went on. I started finding like reading everyone's tweets and like getting all the different variations of the photo. And then you see the video as well. I hadn't seen the video. I saw the video. So I shit. Saw First Photo, saw real photo, went on to twitter, saw video and the video like when I watched the video where he's like grass and maybe you know when you got doing like second hand embarrassment and your tense up. Yeah, like my whole body went dry, like it felt like my internal organs were like look, you've been in a dehydrate. Yeah, I was like, Oh my God, and I felt like space food. You know what it's like. Oh do you compressed and dry out? I was like, Oh my God, this is making me so cringe because she the way she just and the way she purses her mouth when she goes out to shake his hand and sort of just looks at the ground. I'm like, and also stands so far away...

...from here. Oh the UM, the arms are stretched out to me. Wow, I oh, yeah, scrumpies. Oh, absolutely, I can still taste it. It's delicious. It's just basically Guy Gras. So yeah, so that all happened, obviously, you know. And then the critiques happened. Could I was actually quite sheltered from the peep from like the negative. Yeah, I didn't see any thing negative until I saw the clip from the project. was at the first thing you saw. That the first thing I saw. I so sorry. That's the first critique I saw? Yeah, like, I didn't see any, because my algorithm is a pure echo chamber. Yeah, you didn't give me any that shit. I don't want. No. No, I was fully in my bub. I was like, no one thinks that this is bad. I was like everything, this is the funniest thing that's ever happened. But the thing is, like I saw a few people that was that were like anyone saying that grace should have smiled this, blah, blah, blah, and I was like, I was saying that. No, who would saying that? Pretty what are these people's talking and part of me was like the airport looking for us bite. Yeah, I was like who is saying this? Exactly? And then I just want to go on before. And then the other thing was, like I thought it was funny and entertaining, but I was not surprised, like it was literally in alignment with everything she has been saying about him. No, and and the thing that, like I thought was I didn't expect. I mean I thought it was particularly strong, the firm position and like the the way that she did it, but I did not I actually just didn't expect her to stand there at all. Like I expected her to go, but to just be completely avoid and or to do like the non smiling thing or just look. But the length she went to, I thought was impressive. But also she's talked about the fact that how like squat has not called her or made any effort, like essentially has ignored her. So I was actually a bit surprised that he was like Oh grace, but I think that's...

...testament to how fake he totally and and part of me is like the fact that we're so focused on grace and not smiling and not the fact that he was so clearly faking it, why is it not worse yet on him for being like Crazy, oh grace. Yeah, and you know, she did smile at journey. She was okay, she was like, hmm, there's there. There was a difference there as well. Yeah, and the other thing is I think that it would have been worse for her to pretend absolutely might like but I didn't expect her too, because she's never like that. No point has she like the thing is is that I I mean we interviewed Grace Team, we've met her and I just think that she is one of those people that does exactly what she said. She's gonna do. Yeah, like that's is the total vibe that I got meeting her is that she is absolutely someone who hits the expectation and when she tweets something, she means it and when, and she's the one saying what she says. That you know, there's not a social media team, there's not a speech writer. It's clear that she's doing it. Yeah, and like I just expected that from her and she absolutely excited those ex confectations. But imagine, like us, so we've made a basically made a podcast based on talking about how might how many times Scott Morrison has failed us. Yeah, and imagine us going to meet him and being like, ha ha, it's got yeah, I know it's fucked up. Lovely to see you and we ill. I said this to you, we I said this to you after I saw grace's Potos, but I said I've had because when we'd been doing cheek. I think there's probably going to be a time where you might meets got Morrison, how horrible. We might want to go to an event till like we would like to do those sorts of things right and I always fantasize about what I would do if I saw him and my vision has always been that I would ask for a Selfie, acting friendly, frick true trick, saunter up to mock scores. Some saunters he's not listening and getting the pop out the little phone, pop it out, camera open, hold it up, fake a smile and...

...then drop it. Take another photo. Yeah, Browning face. That was always my dream. So it's so grace same as Lud at your fans in a better way than I ever could possibly imagine. Yeah, it's better that the photos are by the medias. Are official exactly, and it's like she did it in front of how many cameras? Like I would. I would, and I think the thing is is that most of us, although like we're very I think we try to, we try our best to be authentic and everything we do, but under that sort of pressure, in front of Matt like Mass Media, I would struggle to do what she did, and I think that's why it's so impressive, because I think the majority of us, as much as we'd like to be real and go in there and, you know, fuck it up and, you know, throw a table, I don't think we would. Yeah, and I think that's what makes it all the more impressive. Is that she did it. Yeah, agreed, hats off, hats off God, honestly. Okay, so the critique, the King of the critique, is the final boss you reach should conservative media without it's sorry, he's he wouldn't say he's concerned because he's on the project. Oh yeah, because he's probably cooled. He probably calls himself a centrist. Okay, okay, you are not a fucking centrist. So I think. Well, according to our Instagram, what if people saw this clip already or at least read his article, which unflish his behind a paywall. We don't recommend you pay for the Australian to read it. But essentially, Pvo, Peter van is, it on Linson, it's on Soolon. I think it's on se O and Selan. Peter van Onsolin. He's on the project. We know him from the intro to the Christian Porter press conference anyway. So he wrote an article. Would you like to summarize that? I actually haven't read it. So Peter wrote and published an Artic a column for the Australian on the day that gracetime visited the lodge and Australian of the year was announced, that it was the twenty five of January, and the title of...

...the Article Pretty Much says it all, which is, if you're disdain for the PM is so great, why go to the lodge? There's a few lines in it that really like bother me. But what I find about his writing in particular, whenever because I've read a few of his columns and and not out of interest, out of I feel like being infuriated. Sometimes just want to be angry. I feel like the language he uses his purposely inflammatory, like he, even when he can clearly is trying to tow the line of agreeing with the person that he's slandering. So, for example, as his lime where he says like, you know, I I can like your disdaining for the PM, more contempt or something, and he's saying why grace hates Scott and then in brackets puts understandably perhaps, and it's like, like even the things where it's like not a critique, it's like, Holy Fuck, Peter, just say you can get you get it. That's what that's my whole problem with him. Yeah, just fucking say it. Yeah, like he's trying to be an unbiased journalist, like I actually, I'm not going to get into it because it's a big thing that I have. I have a problem with people trying to say that journalist need to be unbiased or that people need to be unbiased. No one's fucking unbiased. Okay, let's just like be open with our biases. Lets including out, let's put it out under our profile photos on the article, like let's just literally loves the Labor Party, just like a tinder bio. But like he just doesn't say anything, like it's like he doesn't have the guts to say anything because he obviously is trying to antagonize progressives with a lot of his articles and a lot of his and I get twists, Oh my God. Like his article clearly is the one that's been probably most clicked in the last week because and there are lots of ill I ran there, you know, we all ran there. I mean most people couldn't run there because of the payball and the Australian sucks. Both do not recommend you buy it. But he always is like,...

...oh, but perhaps if we could maybe think about this, or hmm, maybe this is what you might think. Like he never just says anything. Yeah, like he's just like Oh, maybe, oh, perhaps, yeah, do you ever think of this? What does everyone think about that? That's all of his tweets are like what'd you running about, beach? Yeah, and in the article he basically calls he says like she was embarrassing, he calls her juvenile, childish, like all of these things, and basically says, you know, you shouldn't have gone, like don't bother going. And then he's back this up because he also is, you know, works for the project and I don't I don't know how frequent he's on there. I don't really watch free too. It Me Neil. I think he swapped to some other show that I don't know that happened. What happened? He's on the project now, though. He's on pretty frequently. I think odd he swopped to the project from where. That's boring. Never he's on the project sometimes. And so he was with Carrie bick Moore sity next to him and clearly was fucking angry. Yeah, and brought it up and basically was like why do you why did you feel the need to write that article? So think like I do a live react to the clip. Yes, so I'm going to play parts the clip and give you exactly what we think you've probably seen the clip, but here we go. You can see it on with this clips from the projects official Tick Tock at the project TV. I'd like to show some of the photos today of grace time meeting with the prime minister ending her tenure. Her incredible tenure, is astrailing of the year. It seems to have made a few men uncomfortable, including you, Pvo, who felt the need to write an article today telling grace how you believe she should have acted today, a few men who felt the need deliver, just like the present next to me. First of all, why do you feel the need to tell grace how she should have behaved at second of all, why should she stand there and smile and pretend it's all okay? When...

...there is an absolute catastrophe, she should stand there and smile and pretend it's okay? I just thought she shouldn't go. If you can't be polite in some form, then I just think don't go. But first of all, the thing to me is one. If she didn't go, I think he would have slated her for that. I think all of the same men would have. Yeah, I think that the other thing is what we're forgetting is. It is probably part of a string of commitments that she has as the current Australian of the year. At the time, like it may not have been her choice. She may have had an obligation, or like a contractual obligation, to go. I don't know. Yeah, but also the event, like going there. She wasn't the only person there. Yeah, it wasn't a private meeting with her in the Morrisons. She's not like she doesn't have to avoid an event to avoid like she shouldn't have to avoid an event to not see the prime minister like she it's not. I don't understand that point at all. Exact and that's his central argument, is, if you can't be polite, don't go. Well, and I also think that it's like, and if he says this in a bit, he says something about, like if you can't offer common courtesy to the prime minister, I it's might be part of my like problem with like the respect your elders. Yeah, of rhetoric, but I just don't think that that is a point to make. Like, have we forgotten that MP's represent us like public servants work for us? I just don't think that just because he's the prime minister that you should that he deserves a smile. A bit of off track, but the Gold Coast Bulletin my partner's favoritely that outlet control. It's just to trolley. I fucking hates it. There was always comments on an article about grace time and the prime minister and one woman said, like she should respect the prime minister's office is an entity and by being polite to Scott Morrison, like that's his office aft there. But also like if I worked for that office...

I wouldn't be like fuck, that's a personal attack. And also like why? Why? Why should she? Why? What about Scott Morrison or his offices conduct over the last year or three years has earned them any kind of respect? Yeah, he is a person feeling a role. He is easily replaceable and his job is to serve the public, to serve the country. He's not doing that exactly. Fuck, I hate it. Also, if you don't have a good opinion, don't write a column, Peter. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it adding at all. It's a you're own advice. Okay. Why should she have to be silenced and quiet? Why can't she go and and make a statement in her behavior about how she feels about what's happened over the past year. I don't think she's been silenced by not going. I think it would have made a big statement if she hadn't gone and she didn't speak at the event. So I just think if you can't just have basi courtesy, then to the prime minister. I don't like Scott Morrison particularly, but if you can't, he is with his quantifiers. I don't like Scott Marsh, but I would feel about him particularly. Yeah, it's not just like I don't like it's just got to be this ballot. It's it. He can't just say a fucking sentence. Yeah, true, basic courtesy. I just think it's immature. But you also think there's a need for respect in the conversation, the language we use towards a grace. She spoke to her in the article today. Spoke about how she acted as a child. You know, when she should have been able to act as a child, when she was a child. Only she was preyed upon by a man and lost parts of her childhood. Like in the whole conversation. How we talk about these things like that? I I'm unsure how that helps, how that article today helps when I'm assuming, like the entire nation, you want violence against women and children to end. Yeah, I'm in uncle. I survived and attempted sexual assault on me,...

...which I've written about before. So I understand that side of it. So I have a lot of thoughts about this part. So pevo has talked about his attempted like I think it probably child abuse, you would call it. See, was a child sexual abuse, your child sexual abuse, who was a child at the time. Not going to go into details about that, but he has spoken about it. He wrote about it last October for the Australian. I do not understand how the fact that he, you know, I guess by his own words, narrowly escapes child sextual sexual abuse. I don't understand how that gives him the qualifications to talk about another survivor of child sexual abuse with such disdain and rudeness. I I just think that the way he's talking about it, it just it's like, well, because I have also had an experience with this, which I'm a quickly it's vastly different. MMM, yeah, I'm not going to say I'm no details of both. Yeah, and and I'm I'm not here to undermine his experience or like to demean in any way, but I'm sorry, it's not comparable to what grace time has been through. HMM, and for him to sit there and say, I tie, I get it because it happened to me. You don't. I I understand, but that doesn't mean that you can just have this ability now to say whatever you want and have that block at the end of the path like not sorry, like that just doesn't work for me. No, it's just like I've never heard a woman react like this to another woman who was abused or assaulted. Yeah, even when she like how many?...

I've rarely had a conversation with an with a woman who hasn't been her ass or assaulted sometime in her life, and when I hear her talking about her experience, my reaction is not to be like well, I was harassed on the street, or I was her ass when I worked at a bar, or yeah, whatever, like it's just I don't know, it's just like it's not a qualifier. Look, I just it's not a Qualif it's not something that you use to dig your heels into a position about her behavior last week exactly, but I just think if you can't, you know, be polite to the prime minister of the country, I get it, I said in the article, I get it if she can't be blige him, but then just don't go, because otherwise I think it's immature. Amy Even know if she didn't go, that would have caused a huge ruckist in news corps in particular. I'm like, it's thank you, Peo, for interrupting a woman. Why should she stand there and smile and why do we have to be polished? I don't think you should stand there and smile. I think she just shouldn't go. If you can't show basic courtesies to the prime minister, how she was being childish because she showed her at her authentic feelings. She was being childish. But I just my point was just simply I don't have a problem with her having a problem with Scott Morrison. Why did you run it? Just it. I think it's my God, can you actually fucking let her speak? You know he's being defensive because he knows it's a fucking hollow argument. This is my problem is that, like he's men does love the fucking sound of their own voices and that sort of that's like a video link. But like, isn't that John in Journalism School? Why is it childish to not be performative? Yeah, like, why is that? Like I just want that in fantaize. I just I don't know, it's just this expectation, because I don't think that he would talk about this way...

...about a man. I don't think he would say it was childish. I don't think that he would say it was juvenile. I think it's because it's a young woman. Yeah, and I think that's a point that it's not raise that off and is like the specific words that he's using are so demeaning and patronizing and undermining of her position and her maturity and who she is as a person and her experience and her ability to make active decisions. Like it's kind of like she threw a Tantrum in the moment or like couldn't handle it. But I mean the way that he talks about it to me paints his picture of someone who just like yeah, couldn't handle it or or, you know, shouldn't be in these positions because they don't know what to do and they don't know how to act in its unprofessional when I actually think this is all a very active choice, yeah, and a very active way of publicly representing yourself and the values that you hold, and I think that that is a sign of maturity that goes fucking way beyond what he's saying. I think the ability to stand up and say I'm not going to fucking respect you your office because of the way that you've treated me, something that most of it can't do, many other women as well as other group yeah, I actually think it's it's level of sophistication not many of us can achieve. Is Literally saying I'm not going to stand here and smile, I'm not going to stand here and give you what you want, which is this courtesy camera photo. What Bullshit, and it's actually saying I have more respect for myself than that. Thank you. Well. Is that fucking childish? I think they think. I think they're saying it's childish because when we're children we don't yet know how to pretend and like fake our emotion. But that's what I mean. Like why is that? And that's fucked up for women. Yeah, because you when you're a child, you get to like, you know, run away when you're around someone who makes you uncomfortable gives you, like her, feeling that it's not. It's not the vibes. But then as a woman, as you grow up, you're taught by society or like family, that...

...you have to make men feel comfortable no matter what they do. It's about pleasing yeah exactly. It's about keeping the peace, holding the family together. Exactly. All about, you know, smiling and waving and being totally fucking dead inside. It's like a princess. Thank you for being here today. It's good to laugh in these times, even Il to respond that way. I just didn't write an article about what she's achieved this year. I've written a lot about these issues and I think she's achieved a lot. I don't agree with everything that she's done it. I've got the same view as rose batty that I can see the good as well as the bad in the way that she's functioned, but on overall terms I think it's been a very good thing that she's been the Australian be like. How he brings up Rosebuddy is like sometimes like a woman too. Yeah, to think them to yeah exactly. Haven't read what Rose Buddies, rosy botty has said about grace me? Neither. I'm I actually will now because I'm interested to see how if she does critique grace. Yeah, I've never heard. No men either. I mean I find it interesting that Carrie says, you know what about her achievements and he says I've written a lot about these issues, and it's like no, no, her achieve her age. It's not. We're not hello, like the not what was asked at all, because he can't. He can't write. I don't think that he would write a positive article is centering a woman. No, I haven't. I haven't read one. I haven't read one. Would love to be wrong. Send us a damn you could write it on us, Peter Either. You'll probably see this because you only have twozero instagram followers, so the amount of tags we have many more than that. You'll probably see this as too high value women in fourteen with a podcast. It's just so like. I I just can't believe that we're still having...

...this conversation about like telling women to smile, like I really can't and I don't want to. I wrote an article for Cheek about this. It's called don't tell me smile. Give me a reason to. Can everyone love that. Everyone's I'm going to use that now in the comments. They were like that. It's my new response actually, but the fact that people like that's a great response. Like we've been waiting years to know what to say these people, because it happened so fucking frequently. Know, because not just so, just dressing. It is really fucked up. And I don't want to like repeat everything I said in the article because you can read on how they have sider on our instagram. Is that like this? It's just such a constant in the life of women, like such a constant, like we get feedback on like because we have a two we are two young women with a platform. I don't know if I can call myself a young woman anymore because I'm fucking pushing thirty now, but anyway, too young. Are Not so being ridiculous? I'm sitting next year, are you? Yeah, I'm twenty nine this year. Oh, next year's January. Yeah, keep burping anyway. Sorry to everyone's ears. Laugh her, Abert, but like straight to the headphone. Sorry, Yah, Yummy ivening today. What was that? That's not very ladylike. Smile and wave, boys, smile a wave. I just think it's just so disturbing, like the way that people still react to women's anger or neutral face or sadness. Like the reaction is just to stop. It's like women should stop doing that, not that we should not that people wish that we would feel better or feel happier or feel more comfortable with the said of the world, but that we should just not. Yeah, like, don't look sad, don't look angry. As someone with like a very generally angry looking face, I do get a lot and I've actually noticed because we're all wearing masks. Yeah, my when we're in the shops and we're walking around, even my partner is just like are you okay?...

Ha Ha, and I'm like yeah, you do have quite angry eyebrows, and I I do. I have angry eyebrows all the time. My face relax looks very angry generally, and so I always like try and like raise my eyebrows so that everyone knows that I'm happy. To me, that's very sore, though, like to do all the time. I know, and I don't do and that's why my partner's always like are you fine? Angry, okay? Is this this fine? Do we need to go are you hungry? Yeah, I just like I'm so fucking sick of it, like this is so old. We've been talking about a fur, we've we had a woman comment on the article who I can't she's in a fifty three. Yeah, I think. Yeah, that's right. I think so. She's in her s anywhere. And she said like basically, like I've been dealing with this all my whole life, basically. So I just don't and it may say mine not like. I think a lot of men would hear this and say like Oh, you know, like it's just like a cheer up, like it's no, you know, there's not malice in this, but it's not. It's not about what you think your intention is. Yeah, it's about the fact that you are constantly telling us how to behave. It's an instruction, it's a direction. And why do you feel the need to insert yourself into the way I'm existing for your benefit exactly? I don't understand like I mean, and so many people would be like that is reading away too far into it, and it's like not meant like that, but it's like in any space that I occupy, why do you need to tell me how to behave? And how to conduct myself. Yeah, it's not up to you. I don't know you and if I do, fuck, I'm not going to know you do. Yeah, you're canceled cats. I just like, I just feel like a lot of these men just are really uncomfortable with the fact that women are like smart enough and engaged enough that we have the knowledge to be angry about these things. Tot Take, like. That's...

...what I think. Yeah, it's like you're so fucking like you wish that we couldn't vote, don't you? Wow, I'm sick of it. I'm so sick of it. I'm sick of people telling me that, like I'm too angry on the podcast or that like I need to fucking relax. I mean, I see I will not. I see a lot of the comments that we get on that ticktock videos on our instagram post in our DMS, and I just think those men don't want us to vote. Yeah, those men don't want us to be able to read literally, like it scares me. We do put we do tick tocks about politics and then people like you're ugly. They are. And and someone I did tick tock and it was the most stupid one liner about like, Oh, you know when you're trying to explain something to your family and they all they have as a retort as like liberals good for the economy, and she commented. A woman commented two wrongs don't make a right. Take your parents, for example, which really and I commented back, thank you, quit with the love heart like around, swirling around the face, but she's like backtrack after that. So No, she commented back, no, worries, beautiful, and I couldn't tell if she was joking. I had no idea. I was so confused people's but so many people comment like and it's like fuck you. In a city lefties, I've had multiple people comment like how much is Labor? All the Greens paying you? Oh really, and I'm like they can if they wanted, and I was like, I wish they were paying us. If you're interest sponsorship available? So many times no one has given us one sense so much. And you know what, like if someone offers as a cent, we're going to really look into exactly the background before we accept the one sense. Yes, no, no, sense, go cheek is off our own...

...backs, because this is what we believe literally, and I don't I don't have to be being paid by a political party to not want to be told to smile? Exactly? I don't think that that even that like, Oh, who's paying you to say this? These thoughts came out of my own fucking head, because I'm smart and I am learned and I read, because then you let me read and vote. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, man. And if pot end of Pod, if you didn't find us a completely insufferable come back next Wednesday for a new episode. Could also find us on instagram at cheek media COR or online cheek Mediacom to day you. Yes, that's the that's the one.

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